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    The following was a email circulating at work today:

    Forgot to mention in our conversation re a.m. meeting just now--there
    was a
    shootout during a joint marijuana plantation raid on the San Bernardino
    NF
    this morning, and a grower is dead. A Sheriff's Dept. employee
    apparently
    did the shooting.

    The message for us is that growers get more protective this time of
    year,
    as they're very close to harvest after all the work they've done to get
    things to that point. Also, they sometimes get bonuses for bringing a
    crop
    all the way to harvest. So our people need to be especially careful
    this
    time of year if they encounter a plantation--just leave and report it.
    That includes firefighters, of course. Which is another message re the
    problems these growers cause--they may interfere with firefighting
    operations, because we will not subject our firefighters to that risk.

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    The police should be focusing on more important issues than shooting pot growers, like violent crime, property crime in neighborhoods, illegal immigration....

    the war on drugs is a joke. pharmaceutical companies make more money and we get to pay more taxes on something we cannot stop.

    the more they tax us the poorer we get the more families have to work, the less time they spend with their kids = the core problem in this country. Family values


    and NO I don't do nor ever have done drugs

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    Quote Originally Posted by azchevy View Post
    The police should be focusing on more important issues than shooting pot growers, like violent crime, property crime in neighborhoods, illegal immigration....

    the war on drugs is a joke. pharmaceutical companies make more money and we get to pay more taxes on something we cannot stop.

    the more they tax us the poorer we get the more families have to work, the less time they spend with their kids = the core problem in this country. Family values


    and NO I don't do nor ever have done drugs
    I welcome you out to my National Forest to try and manage them. This isn't you local hippies growing personal stash. These guys have pistols and rifles. I have been on raids this year with SWAT. This is not what you think it is so Get real.
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    One of the dangers of over protective pot growers, is booby traps. These growers are not the grow at home for your own use type. This is big buisness, they set up plantations on public or other peoples farmland, then booby trap the access. anyone passing that way could be killed, even your children. This is well worth the effort to stop. Don't kid yourself this is not a waste of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azchevy View Post
    The police should be focusing on more important issues than shooting pot growers ...
    "Shooting pot growers" implies that law enforcement wasn't provoked into having to shoot to defend, and implies that poor little pot growers don't have the cajones or capability to be extremely violent and vociferous in the defense of what they see as "their own."

    If you've ever seen the armaments and materiel that gets seized in a raid, you'll think twice about classifying "pot growers" as insignificant pimples on the butt of society. Sure, it's a "gateway" drug and nowhere near as damaging as meth, cocaine or heroine ... at least on the surface. But it's managed by the same folks running all the rest of it, often internationally connected, well-financed and well-armed. In short, the same dangerous people (basically) are doing pot running and growing, and it's not a game they want to lose. It is dangerous in every way that every other drug business is dangerous, in the way it's protected and guarded, and the degree to which the runners are prepared to act in order to defend their business.

    Speak with anyone in your local sheriff's dept. who is on the drug squad. It's an eye opener.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rossman View Post
    I welcome you out to my National Forest to try and manage them. This isn't you local hippies growing personal stash. These guys have pistols and rifles. I have been on raids this year with SWAT. This is not what you think it is so Get real.
    WE created the black market by making drugs illegal. Alchohol was the same way and it kills more people and is more harmful than "weed". Remember a guy named AL CAPONE? Prohibition made him rich and powerful. Thank you US government.

    They should just stop the war on drugs. Let people kill themselves with it if they want, and spend the tax dollars on more important things. They should cut taxes with the money saved.

    The war on drugs is the biggest joke and waste of tax dollars in he history of the US. Making criminals rich and creating drug cartels, and a black market since 1914

    The U.S. government estimates the cost of the War on Drugs by calculating the funds used in attempting to control the supply of illegal drugs, in paying government employees involved in waging the war, and to satisfy rehabilitation costs. This total was estimated by the U.S. government's cost report on drug control to be roughly $12 billion in 2005. Additionally, in a separate report, the U.S. government reports that the cost of incarcerating drug law offenders was $30.1 billion — $9.1 billion for police protection, $4.5 billion for legal adjudication, and $11.0 billion for state and federal corrections. In total, roughly $45.5 billion was spent in 2005 for these factors.
    Sad. Really. You are never going to stop it and it is everywhere. It is in schools, in the workplace, and in every neighborhood. I am sure glad 50+ billion of our tax dollars is being spent on it every year

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    Quote Originally Posted by azchevy View Post
    WE created the black market by making drugs illegal.
    I tend to agree with this. It was mentioned about the growers were heavily armed and utilized booby traps, but look at comparable legal establishments. Any place that may employ armed security guards could then be looked at the same way. They have an investment and they want to protect it. Like AZCHEVY, I do not use any sort of drugs whatsoever but by keeping them outlawed keeps them dangerous. Make it legal and when these people have farms on their own private property, and stay heavily armed in order to protect it, look at them the same way you would look at any other member on this entire forum who is well armed in an effort to protect their own home.

    Not trying to start any kind of war here, but why exactly is it illegal in the first place? Maybe it is because government thinks it knows what is better for the people than the people themselves. It is the same argument we all have been trying to fight when it comes to guns. But that is just my opinion.
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    A lot of the drug business I deal with comes from legal sources. I.E. pain meds. The black market is huge for Oxy's and the like and just as dangerous as it is for coke, pot or whatever street drug you choose.
    So, legalize and regulate is hardly an answer. Its a simpleton approach at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    A lot of the drug business I deal with comes from legal sources. I.E. pain meds. The black market is huge for Oxy's and the like and just as dangerous as it is for coke, pot or whatever street drug you choose.
    So, legalize and regulate is hardly an answer. Its a simpleton approach at best.
    While I agree that drug use is pretty much stupid......what basis is there for making it illegal? Should it be regulated? Absolutely!!!! For the same reason I don't want someone obviously drunk driving around on the street, I also don't want to deal with someone high on crack driving around on the street either. However, we do not ban alcohol. We make stiff penalties (not stiff enough if you ask me though) for what happens when you endanger the public by public intoxication. Why can't the same principle apply to the use of drugs? Let people take the responsibility for their own actions.....if they choose to be stupid, let them. But if they then violate any laws that put others at risk, then go after them. We don't ban a whole host of activities that most would agree would be incredibly unwise to undertake. Let individuals be stupid all they want......it's when they start to be a risk for others that action should be taken. Use the same precedent already established with alcohol or tobacco.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyCooper View Post
    However, we do not ban alcohol. We make stiff penalties (not stiff enough if you ask me though) for what happens when you endanger the public by public intoxication. Why can't the same principle apply to the use of drugs?
    It does. The intoxication can be from drugs or alcohol. It just so happens that alcohol detection is the easiest and most trained for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    It does. The intoxication can be from drugs or alcohol. It just so happens that alcohol detection is the easiest and most trained for.
    I was actually referring to a scenario where said drugs were legal. I realize that there are tests in use for drug use and there are current penalties in place. The point to my statement was to remove the laws concerning use or possession of drugs and stiffer ones for when that use endangers others. (ie - just like alcohol......the use or possesion of which will not get you in trouble with the law.....it's when that use puts others at risk that it becomes a public safety issue)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rossman View Post
    I welcome you out to my National Forest to try and manage them. This isn't you local hippies growing personal stash. These guys have pistols and rifles. I have been on raids this year with SWAT. This is not what you think it is so Get real.
    Ask yourself why that is...oh and I've NEVER used illegal drugs myself...I just think it's our own faults for allowing a runaway government to futz around in peoples personal lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyCooper View Post
    I was actually referring to a scenario where said drugs were legal. I realize that there are tests in use for drug use and there are current penalties in place. The point to my statement was to remove the laws concerning use or possession of drugs and stiffer ones for when that use endangers others. (ie - just like alcohol......the use or possesion of which will not get you in trouble with the law.....it's when that use puts others at risk that it becomes a public safety issue)
    I'm all for stiffer penalties, in fact, maybe we dont need new penalties we just need the courts to hand down strict sentances.
    The use (addiction) and possesion do get in in trouble with the law (and everything else for that matter) I would have to say that 97 percent of the calls we see as LEO's is alcohol or drug related. At least keeping drugs illegal keeps some sort of cap on things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rossman View Post
    The following was a email circulating at work today:

    Forgot to mention in our conversation re a.m. meeting just now--there
    was a
    shootout during a joint marijuana plantation raid on the San Bernardino
    NF
    this morning, and a grower is dead. A Sheriff's Dept. employee
    apparently
    did the shooting.

    The message for us is that growers get more protective this time of
    year,
    as they're very close to harvest after all the work they've done to get
    things to that point. Also, they sometimes get bonuses for bringing a
    crop
    all the way to harvest. So our people need to be especially careful
    this
    time of year if they encounter a plantation--just leave and report it.
    That includes firefighters, of course. Which is another message re the
    problems these growers cause--they may interfere with firefighting
    operations, because we will not subject our firefighters to that risk.
    I think crime would drop dramatically if they legalized marijuana. All they would have to do is tack a minimum age and tax on it like they do with alcohol and cigarettes. The same laws would apply like they do with booze. It can only be smoked in pre-determined adult establishments i.e. bars, casinos, clubs or your property. No smoking and driving etc… The government should not tell us what we can and can’t put in our bodies. People are not infringing on anyone else’s right if they choose to smoke weed in their own home.

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    Ya know what.....I'm gonna remain silent on this thread to prevent me from "blasting" as I was accused in the past when someone made an idiotic post.
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