Terrorists target Army base — in Arizona

Terrorists target Army base — in Arizona

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    Terrorists target Army base — in Arizona

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    By Sara A. Carter - Fort Huachuca, the nation's largest intelligence-training center, changed security measures in May after being warned that Islamist terrorists, with the aid of Mexican drug cartels, were planning an attack on the facility.

    Fort officials changed security measures after sources warned that possibly 60 Afghan and Iraqi terrorists were to be smuggled into the U.S. through underground tunnels with high-powered weapons to attack the Arizona Army base, according to multiple confidential law enforcement documents obtained by The Washington Times.

    "A portion of the operatives were in the United States, with the remainder not yet in the United States," according to one of the documents, an FBI advisory that was distributed to the Defense Intelligence Agency, the CIA, Customs and Border Protection and the Justice Department, among several other law enforcement agencies throughout the nation. "The Afghanis and Iraqis shaved their beards so as not to appear to be Middle Easterners."

    According to the FBI advisory, each Middle Easterner paid Mexican drug lords $20,000 "or the equivalent in weapons" for the cartel's assistance in smuggling them and their weapons through tunnels along the border into the U.S. The weapons would be sent through tunnels that supposedly ended in Arizona and New Mexico, but the Islamist terrorists would be smuggled through Laredo, Texas, and reclaim the weapons later.

    A number of the Afghans and Iraqis are already in a safe house in Texas, the FBI advisory said.

    Fort Huachuca, which lies about 20 miles from the Mexican border, has members of all four service branches training in intelligence and secret operations. About 12,000 persons work at the fort and many have their families on base.

    Lt. Col. Matthew Garner, spokesman for Fort Huachuca, said details about the current phase of the investigation or security changes on the post "will not be disclosed."

    "We are always taking precautions to ensure that soldiers, family members and civilians that work and live on Fort Huachuca are safe," Col. Garner said. "With this specific threat, we did change some aspects of our security that we did have in place."

    According to the FBI report, some of the weapons associated with the plot have been smuggled through a tunnel from Mexico to the U.S.

    The FBI report is based on Drug Enforcement Administration sources, including Mexican nationals with access to "sub-sources" in the drug cartels. The report's assessment is that the DEA's Mexican contacts have proven reliable in the past but the "sub-source" is of uncertain reliability.

    According to the source who spoke with DEA intelligence agents, the weapons included two Milan anti-tank missiles, Soviet-made surface-to-air missiles, grenade launchers, long guns and handguns.

    "FBI Comment: The surface-to-air missiles may in fact be RPGs," the advisory stated, adding that the weapons stash in Mexico could include two or three more Milan missiles.

    The Milan, a French-German portable anti-tank weapon, was developed in the 1970s and widely sold to militaries around the world, including Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Insurgents in Iraq reportedly have used a Milan missile in an attack on a British tank. Iraqi guerrillas also have shot down U.S. helicopters using RPGs, or rocket-propelled grenades.

    FBI spokesman Paul Bresson would not elaborate on the current investigation regarding the threat, but said that many times the initial reports are based on "raw, uncorroborated information that has not been completely vetted." He added that this report shows the extent to which all law enforcement and intelligence agencies cooperate in terror investigations.

    "If nothing else, it provides a good look at the inner working of the law-enforcement and intelligence community and how they work together on a daily basis to share and deal with threat information," Mr. Bresson said. "It also demonstrates the cross-pollination that frequently exists between criminal and terrorist groups."

    The connections between criminal enterprises, such as powerful drug cartels, and terrorist organizations have become a serious concern for intelligence agencies monitoring the U.S.-Mexico border.

    "Based upon the information provided by the DEA handling agent, the DEA has classified the source as credible," stated a Department of Homeland Security document, regarding the possibility of an attack on Fort Huachuca. "The identity of the sub-source has been established; however, none of the information provided by the sub-source in the past has been corroborated."

    The FBI advisory stated the "sub-source" for the information "is a member of the Zetas," the military arm of one of Mexico's most dangerous drug-trafficking organizations, the Gulf Cartel. The Gulf Cartel controls the movement of narcotics from Nuevo Laredo, Mexico, into the U.S. along the Laredo corridor.

    However, the sub-source "for this information is of unknown reliability," the FBI advisory stated.

    According to the DEA, the sub-source identified Mexico's Sinaloa cartel as the drug lords who would assist the terrorists in their plot.

    This led the DEA to caution the FBI that its information may be a Gulf Cartel plant to bring the U.S. military in against its main rival. The Sinaloa and Gulf cartels have fought bloody battles along the border for control of shipping routes into the U.S.

    "It doesn't mean that there isn't truth to some of what this source delivered to U.S. agents," said one law-enforcement intelligence agent, on the condition of anonymity. "The cartels have no loyalty to any nation or person. It isn't surprising that for the right price they would assist terrorists, knowingly or unknowingly."
    "If I was an extremist, our founding fathers would all be extremists," he said. "Without them, we wouldn't have our independence. We'd be a disarmed British system of feudal subjectivity."


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    Simple solution... keep it secret... let them gather... then blow the H E double L out of the area... no more terrorist group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheldon J View Post
    Simple solution... keep it secret... let them gather... then blow the H E double L out of the area... no more terrorist group.
    I could live with that solution. Yup, I really could....
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    A lot to be said for simple effective solutions!!!!

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    Wow. All you'd have to do is alert the local population that a bunch of terrorists and illegals were going to attack the Fort... My God.. you'd have 5,000 angry and armed people descending on the area.

    Really, though, that sounds like some heavy stuff. The Milan isn't anything to screw with, either. It was a front-line AT missile with the Germans, Dutch, and Norweigans (I think) for quite a few years - even getting mounted on attack helo's for awhile. It's more or less outdated versus a modern M1A2 or Challenger, but it would devestate almost everything else.

    It wouldn't shock me if those MANPADs (read: SAM's) were the real deal. SA-7's and the SA-11's are some nasty buggers. We've been warned for years about the possibility of attacks on civilian targets using MANPAD's.. But the distinction between MANPADs and RPG's is pretty important. RPG's only have a reputation for shooting down helo's because of some shots in Iraq and Somalia. Really... they are HORRIBLE for the job. It's a totally unguided rocket. My money is on RPG's, though, for what they had.

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    Huachuca just trains morse monkeys anyway. We don't need to worry about those guys. :P

    SigInt competition is always good.
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    FBI spokesman Paul Bresson would not elaborate on the current investigation regarding the threat, but said that many times the initial reports are based on "raw, uncorroborated information that has not been completely vetted." He added that this report shows the extent to which all law enforcement and intelligence agencies cooperate in terror investigations.

    Curious...the articles information would clearly be highly classified...and if in fact true...why release this information to the public? And if in fact false...what was the purpose of the release?

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    Sounds like something out of a Clancy novel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SammyIamToday View Post
    Huachuca just trains morse monkeys anyway. We don't need to worry about those guys. :P

    SigInt competition is always good.
    Baloney on that. My nephew (in Iraq right now) learned to fly drones at Huachuca.

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    Quote Originally Posted by libertarian5 View Post
    Baloney on that. My nephew (in Iraq right now) learned to fly drones at Huachuca.
    That's new then since I was in training at Corry Station. I don't think the drones are part of SigInt anyway, so I'm just speaking from one side of the Intel house. The only side of the Intel house that matters. :p
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    I would recommend refraining from any further comments on training sites and curriculum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigsauer View Post
    I would recommend refraining from any further comments on training sites and curriculum.
    Why? You can find it all on Google in 5 minutes...
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    I am not concerned with what already has been said, I am more concerned with what could be said. More than once I have seen inadvertent information spillage on forums such as these. It was a simple caution. Take it for what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheldon J View Post
    Simple solution... keep it secret... let them gather... then blow the H E double L out of the area... no more terrorist group.

    Sounds like a positive solution to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joleary223 View Post
    Sounds like something out of a Clancy novel.

    That doesn't mean anything. Flying an airplane into a building was from a Clancy novel.

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