Bad Info Leads Cops to Wrong House, 2 Officers Shot: MN (Merged)

Bad Info Leads Cops to Wrong House, 2 Officers Shot: MN (Merged)

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    Bad Info Leads Cops to Wrong House, 2 Officers Shot: MN (Merged)

    This could have ended up with two dead police officers due to bad intel. and an armed home owner. Luckily their vests protected them. I can't say that I wouldn't have done the exact same thing as this homeowner. I carry even at home so the .45 would have been out real fast if someone was breaking down my door.

    Bad information leads police to wrong house; bullets fly
    Minneapolis cops wearing bullet-proof vests were not hurt; homeowner says he fired in self-defense.

    By Patrick Kennedy, Star Tribune

    Last update: December 16, 2007 - 11:53 PM

    Police blamed bad information for sending a SWAT team into a north Minneapolis house early Sunday morning in a raid that ended with shots exchanged between police -- who were struck by bullets -- and the resident, who said he was just defending his family.

    The homeowner, who does not speak English, told his brother that he thought the police were the "bad guys" after they broke through the back door of the house, where he lives with his wife and six children. He fired and hit two police officers, who were not injured thanks to their bullet-proof vests and helmets, police said in a statement.

    The Police Department's SWAT team was trying to search the two-story house at 12:46 a.m. in the 1300 block of Logan Avenue N., as part of an investigation by the Violent Offender Task Force. But police said that they learned later that bad information led them to that house.

    "It was found out that this particular address was not part of that long-term investigation," police spokesman Sgt. Jesse Garcia III told KSTP-TV on Sunday. He told KMSP-TV that it was a "bad situation."

    "It could have been much worse," Garcia added.

    Dao Khang, who is the brother of the homeowner, Vang Khang, said his brother feared for his safety. "He took out his shotgun and he said if they are bad guys I'll shoot, I'll scare them away," Khang said. "He fired first, he told me it was two shots."

    Vang Khang was taken into custody but later released. Dao Khang said his brother has been in contact with a lawyer and is considering legal action.

    Khang and his children, who range in age from 3 to 15, were shaken, Dao Khang said. "All these gunshots in the house. They don't know what's going on. Flying bullets in the house and they just cried," he said.

    Garcia told KMSP that police grabbed the family's children and shielded them during the incident.

    Garcia did not return repeated calls from the Star Tribune on Sunday. Questions about the shooting on Sunday night were referred to Lt. Amelia Huffman, head of the homicide unit, who also did not return calls.

    No one answered the front door at the house on Sunday night.

    In a statement released shortly after 5 a.m. Sunday, police said that officers found no one on the first floor of the house. When they made their way up to the second floor, they were confronted by an adult male. The officers identified themselves as police, and the man fired several rounds at them. Several officers returned fire, but no one in the house was injured.

    Investigations by the Minneapolis Police Department's homicide and internal affairs units are underway. According to standard department procedures, the officers involved have been placed on paid administrative leave during the initial investigation.

    The names of the officers were not immediately available.



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    hmm
    im pretty sure i would have done the same thing
    how does something like that turn out legally?
    what if the man had killed an LEO, or one of them killed him?

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    I sure am getting tired of hearing about these 'little' mistakes. The police need to remember that the source of their information is usually a slimeball trying to save his own butt from jail time.
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    Agreed, these are serious intelligence failures. It does no one any good to execute a warrant service like this without being very certain that you're at the right place, looking for the right guy...

    In the end, everyone was (thankfully) OK, but it could have been very, very ugly. Come on, LEO planners, let's reduce these "mistakes" to the point of insignificance, shall we?
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    Move along... there is nothing to see here!

    Another poorly executed warrant. At least the homeowner was not killed.

    Get ready for the apologists to come out saying how we need "no-knocks" and "dynamic entries" to win the "War on Drugs!"

    COTUS, we don't need no stinking COTUS!

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    It really angers me to here this kind of stuff, it angers me as a citizen and angers me as an LEO.
    I spend countless hours making sure the house we are about to hit is the right one, has the right people/stuff in it etc. It does take a lot of work to do it right, but right is the only way to do it. To get lazy, impatient or anything else with this stuff just pisses me off.

    The no knocks etc isnt even an issue here, so I will go there only to say if you dont know what you are talking about in regard to them STHU. Its about laziness and poor investigations.
    "Just blame Sixto"

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    Get ready for the apologists to come out saying how we need "no-knocks" and "dynamic entries" to win the "War on Drugs!"
    Or, get ready for all the black helicopter tin foil hat wearers to call for the blanket moratorium of a legitimate and proven method of law enforcement based on a very few poorly planned/executed ones. Kinda like banning all guns because some people use them to commit crimes...
    A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.

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    Wasn't there a similar incident a few months ago involving police busting in the wrong house and some old lady shot the cop ? (cant recall exact info )

    Also When police info goes wrong

    ( VICTIM ) Rev. Accelyne Williams, a 75-year-old Methodist minister ( / VICTIM )

    ........ On the afternoon of March 25, 1994, a 13-member SWAT team, part of the Boston Police Drug Control Unit, broke down the door to Mr. Williams's second-floor apartment. The officers had misread a floor plan provided by an informer, officials said later. ..........

    Anticipating armed resistance, the police had obtained a search warrant granting them authority to enter without warning. Breaking into the apartment, the police chased a terrified Mr. Williams into his bedroom and handcuffedg him. He then went into cardiac arrest.

    Rev. Accelyne Williams ( DEAD FROM THE SHOCK )


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    I'm glad no one got hurt badly or killed. IME and thus IMHO, the police go to extraordinary lengths to avoid situations like this. Sometimes all the failsafes fail, though.

    Kudos to the DA/police/whomever in not attempting to crucify the homeowner, too. All too often we hear (though actual experiences may be hard to document) that in situations like this the homeowner winds up facing some B.S. "resisting arrest" or "shooting with intent to kill" or "failure to follow a lawful order" or "assaulting an officer" charge to deal with. That sort of thing, even if the LEO's got killed, chaps my hide for all sorts of reasons. Their mistake (or that of their superiors), so ought they get to get to bear the burden of that error. Especially since the homeowner would be a fool to rely on the word of a home invader that he is with the police...

    It's more likely, though, that if things deteriorated further the homeowner would be dead, not the LEO's or just the LEOs.

    The homeowner, too, needs some credit here for recognizing, before things got beyond redemption, that he was dealing with LEO's and needed to cease and desist before reaching the point of no return.

    Yes, bad intell led to a bad situation. But cooler heads prevailed, and that is something that should inspire thanksgiving to the Almighty from everyone involved.
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    I'm assuming (because this was a dedicated SWAT team, according to the article) that these guys were emblazoned with all sorts of things that say POLICE, SWAT, and so on, and are in uniform, giving lots of verbal commands. Not typical BG behavior (though not entirely impossible, either). Of course, the homeowner not being able to speak English was a factor here, as well... (Totally OT, but here's a reason for establishing English as the official language, no?)

    I'm not defending the planning that went into this at all - someone in the PD screwed up, with nearly tragic results. But kudos to the homeowner and the cops at the scene for showing serious restraint in a very difficult situation. The fact that this citizen was not killed speaks volumes to the discipline of the LEOs on the scene - two of them had just been shot, after all... (Of course, it could just show that they need more marksmanship training, but I'd like to think they recognized the mistake and were able to solve the problem with everyone still breathing...)
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    I'm kind of wondering why the homeowner wasnt killed... I'm glad he wasnt, but suprised. I know without a doubt if two members of our team was shot on entry, there would not be a homeowner any longer.
    There is more to this story...
    "Just blame Sixto"

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    It's amazing that the LEO didn't kill the poor guy, who was just trying to defend his family. He also doesn't speak English, so he didn't understand they were LEO when they first identified themselves. It's nice to see a happy ending after a mistake like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    I'm kind of wondering why the homeowner wasnt killed... I'm glad he wasnt, but suprised. I know without a doubt if two members of our team was shot on entry, there would not be a homeowner any longer.
    There is more to this story...
    I'm thinking (hoping) that the LEOs realized at some point that they were in the wrong house...Maybe escorting a bunch of Asian kids out of the house (let's assume that their target was neither Asian or the father of a bunch of Asian kids here) was a clue. In any case, I'm glad they were able to defuse the situation after shots had been fired with a shooter (innocent as he is) who doesn't speak English. Bad situation, about the best ending one could hope for...
    A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    I'm thinking (hoping) that the LEOs realized at some point that they were in the wrong house...Maybe escorting a bunch of Asian kids out of the house (let's assume that their target was neither Asian or the father of a bunch of Asian kids here) was a clue. In any case, I'm glad they were able to defuse the situation after shots had been fired with a shooter (innocent as he is) who doesn't speak English. Bad situation, about the best ending one could hope for...
    Yeah, but when its all going down and shots are being fired, I'm not paying attention to what they look like or anything else but taking care of the threat.
    That is whats making me think there is more to this story, like there was some debate before hand and the team let the bosses make their mistakes. Just a speculation and educated guess on my part.
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    These botched entries are nothing new:

    http://www.cato.org/raidmap/

    There have been:

    -41 incidents that resulted in the death of an INNOCENT.
    -22 incident that resulted in LEO death or injury
    -145 raids on an innocent

    look them up...I bet some have been close to your own home!
    Last edited by goawayfarm; December 17th, 2007 at 03:28 PM.
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