Could we be winning the illegal immigrant war?

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    Could we be winning the illegal immigrant war?

    I just read two articles I found on the Drudge Report and thought I would pass them along.

    Maybe there is reason to hope that we are doing better with the illegal immigrants. Now if we can just get that border wall built!

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    Illegal immigrants "self deport" as woes mount

    Wow, their woes mount. My heart bleeds for them.....not. Get out is what I say. You want to live here? Do it the legal way and become a citizen through the legal channels or get the heck out of our country plain and simple.
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    Kick 'em all out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TN_Mike View Post
    You want to live here? Do it the legal way and become a citizen through the legal channels or get the heck out of our country plain and simple.
    *stomach groans from having a non conservative viewpoint on a conservative board*

    No one can become a citizen through "illegal channels" short of corrupt officials. Many people in the United States are documented and do not desire to become citizens. I'd be willing to say that the majority of immigrants do not want citizenship. Do we kick out documented non-citizen residents?

    On a relevant note, I'm a fan of Reagan Amnesty which granted some illegal immigrants temporary residence. It gave the chance for the mojados to register just as they would if they had spent the money, that they didn't have, to get work visa in Mexico. I think that it is time to do it again.

    I likely won't post much more on this issue because I do understand that I have a very unpopular opinion among the conservative crowd. I simply feel that if a massive number of immigrants were forced to leave that the people of the U.S. would suffer greatly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agave View Post
    I'd be willing to say that the majority of immigrants do not want citizenship. Do we kick out documented non-citizen residents?
    This is probably very true, but that is why there is a work visa program for people who do not live in this country that wish to work here on a temporary basis.

    Personally I have NO problem with those who use this program to find work here, or those who use this program legally to find work and one day become a citizen.

    I do have a problem with those who come here expecting to use and abuse our services with wanton disregard for our laws, then complain and get mad when we try to make it harder for them to be here while they break they law. If it were up to me, I'd round them up put them in jail for 1 year. We provide them with a free room. They have to get their food, water, clothing, bedding. We can give them the tools to help, but not the food/water.

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    I saw a news story on Fox the other day that talked about how so many illegal are now moving to Canada. The Socialist form of government there promises to provide free medical and housing to all that can’t afford it for up to one year and often longer. Their now screaming bloody murder because it’s starting to overwhelm their capability to afford these freebees. “They were in big trouble over costs and delivery log before this”. Wish I had the heart to feel sorry for them but truth is I could care less. They made their bed not they get to sleep in it.
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    I was legal temporary, until such time as in 2005 I got my citizenship - and I am proud to be an American (even if I talk funny )

    With all the time, effort and cost of my transition I feel as strongly if not more so, about the illegal aspects covering ''sucking us dry" ..... even tho it has to be said some illegals are hard workers and not criminals.

    Trouble is, things have long IMO gotten way outa hand and I shudder when I hear ''amnesty'' referred to.


    Anyways - this is a big and contraversial subject - one which has in past on DC gotten outa hand. Make comments by all means but keep things cool and non-political, or we'll be exceeding the boundaries of our rules all too easily.
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    Arizona has a law going into effect on January 1st that imposes very strict consequences on employers that employ illegal aliens. For the past month they have been leaving Arizona to either go to another state that allows their employers to hire them or back home. The news seems to be reporting most are going back home. I've heard some reports state that they're down 65%. That is a great thing for Arizona and hopefully pushing them to another state will cause them to eventually impose strong sanctions....
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    Some of the Terrorist had come to Washington to get Drivers Licenses because it was easier to get them here. That is no longer the case, for those who renew even have to prove they are here legal. This has not been anounced to the Public but when they go down to renew they may be told to come back with more proof. Birth certificate, ss card, proof of address (if address is not shown as resident address in their computer, then they need papers from the county proving that it is).

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    +1 Bumper,

    If all employers faced severe, and I mean severe penalties for hiring illegal immigrants, that would be a great start towards solving the problem. If there isn't a job to be had, there isn't a need to cross the border.

    Simply building a fence isn't going to do it, neither is amnesty, however you want to classify it.

    I don't have a problem with a guest worker program, and I don't blame them form coming up here. But first things first, eliminate the jobs by employer sanctions then start to integrate programs to bring them here legally with paperwork, guest worker or whatever.

    Raevan, if your referring to the 9/11 terrorist, I don't know about their drivers license situation, but I do know that the came into the country legally, but over stayed their visa, and were never looked up and forced to leave the country with an expired visa.
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    Mind you it would be good if you fixed your legal immigration system, last time I looked into it there was a 4 million person backlog.

    Also a better border fence would help.

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    got an ant infestation problem?
    i bet you dont go trying to more tightly seal your doors and windows
    you clean up the messy kitchen or whatever their food source is, and you grab a can of raid.
    i am all for guest worker programs, and things like it, but i am not for people where are here illegally, just like im not for any illegal act.
    as my coworker once said..
    "yea, but most of them are good law abiding citizens!"
    .. never knew illegal immigrants could be law abiding citizens.

    edit: no, im not actually for exterminating them if thats what you thought. just for treating them like the criminals they are

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    Quote Originally Posted by friesepferd View Post
    and you grab a can of raid.
    Very apropos!

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    "...I simply feel that if a massive number of immigrants were forced to leave that the people of the U.S. would suffer greatly..."

    I gotta ask: how would we suffer greatly?

    We're suffering greatly now over illegal aliens. I'd be willing to trade present "suffering greatly" for a different "suffering greatly". Just for the change of pace.

    I can't imagine how we'd suffer by upholding law and removing lawbreakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
    I gotta ask: how would we suffer greatly?
    Construction is one example. The cost of construction would likely skyrocket when we have to depend on a very small number of natives and legal alien workers to do drywall, brick, and other artisans' crafts. As well, the work would be incredibly slow.

    Agriculture is another example. We don't really have machines that pick tomatoes and strawberries. When we have to rely on natives to harvest, we are going to pay a very high price for our chowstuffs.

    Quote Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
    We're suffering greatly now over illegal aliens. I'd be willing to trade present "suffering greatly" for a different "suffering greatly". Just for the change of pace.
    I fail to see how that illegal migrant workers cause suffering. I hear that they are on social security and welfare. I hear that they don't pay taxes. Perhaps this is true to a very small degree; perhaps a few are beating the system; but I guarantee that there more "Americans" that are on social security benefits and not paying taxes than there are migrant workers.

    I personally know many illegal immigrants. All of them have federal taxes withheld. All of them pay state sales tax. None of them file on 15 April. None of them receive welfare. And I believe that it is pretty obvious that they can't receive social security benefits without a social security number.

    Quote Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
    I can't imagine how we'd suffer by upholding law and removing lawbreakers.
    Much like the trade of illegal drugs keeps money moving, illegal migrant workers keep costs low. The government seems to understand that both have pros that outweigh cons and does little truly deal with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
    "...I simply feel that if a massive number of immigrants were forced to leave that the people of the U.S. would suffer greatly..."

    I gotta ask: how would we suffer greatly?

    We're suffering greatly now over illegal aliens. I'd be willing to trade present "suffering greatly" for a different "suffering greatly". Just for the change of pace.

    I can't imagine how we'd suffer by upholding law and removing lawbreakers.
    To answer your question: we would suffer by not having to stand in line in the Emergency Room, our children would suffer by not having overcrowded classrooms, our Social Programs would suffer by having enough money and facilities to serve the American people and we would all suffer by not having as many drunk drivers without licenses or insurance on our roads. I guess there would be a few bright spots - fewer drugs and drug dealers.
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