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    What we really need is more woman in on the Delta, and SEAL teams... Oh and more female Rangers.

    Gotta run and pack my bags I am moving to LA. I feel safer there.

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    It'll never happen unless they issue pink m-4's,or purple mp5's,body armor that they can match nail polish to,high heel jump boots

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    Don't mention anything like that to the women who were in back in the '70's, they'd have kicked your butt. More facial hair on them than us!
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    It kind of strikes me funny, that threads like this everybody says they want the biggest badest cops to do what cops do...and I agree. I dont want to go kickin in a door with some fruitpie covering me.
    BUT, in other LEO threads, people whine and cry because the police were gruff with them, or they think they might have been to tough based on a article they read and know nothing of the story... Go figure.

    Just today it was proved (again) that some people just do not belong in some lines of work... as a result, I darn near got killed along with a BG and the LEO that did not belong were she was. Another did get hurt and will be out for a long time, if not the rest of his career. Stupid.
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    Not just LEO and Military. Not too long ago fire departments were forced to develop "female" standards. As if the victims could be lighter for a female? Most of the guys I know don't mind having a girl around the station or even helping carry the extra weight, but privately didn't like having to trust their lives to someone who qualified with different standards. Not a male/female problem, simple physics. I knew one female FF that could truly hold her own against most of the guys, and she wasn't butch or anything. She wanted to be able to DO the job, not just HAVE the job, so she worked at it. I'll give EVERY female firefighter I ran calls with this: they were willing to try on the scene to do their share of the extraction, but usually it ended up being a couple of us guys. We could simply move the patient faster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    Oh jeese, dont even get me started. And it isnt just in CA, and it just isnt SWAT.
    SIXTO, are you telling me you wouldn't agree with the new Chief of Houston, TX PD saying that the new training mandate will be "two shots in a lethal force response, to be followed by evaluation..."?!?!

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    Oh, but we have to cater to those who are not-quite-up-to-the-standards by "dumbing down" the standards - it's the American way! (sarcasm intended).

    That's why the US Army did away with the 1911 .45 and went with the 9mm Beretta - the women couldn't qualify with that big, old, heavy, loud gun. That's why there are different PT standards for men and women in the Army.

    Looks like LA is looking for a "kinder, gentler" SWAT...

    I figured out something was screwy in "P.C. World" way back in '76, when I was going through training to be a helicopter mechanic in the Army. Seems that none of the females in the class could actually carry the 35-lb standard issue tool-box up to the top of the bird; they had to have the guys carry it for them. I'm not trying to ignite some P.C. battle, it's just that men and women have different physical abilities due to the ways our bodies differ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob72 View Post
    SIXTO, are you telling me you wouldn't agree with the new Chief of Houston, TX PD saying that the new training mandate will be "two shots in a lethal force response, to be followed by evaluation..."?!?!
    Umm, no. It only takes one screw up and you or someone else is dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    Umm, no. It only takes one screw up and you or someone else is dead.
    True, but they've had one officer involved in something like 6 fatal shootings within a short time, and they're afraid that members of "disadvantaged" communities might see "shooting to stop the threat" as prejudicial. We know that dead civvies and Officers are muuuch cheaper than bad PR...

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    oddly enough i know several women that could meet the current entry standards for SWAT. they just won't consider going to LA due to some of the laws there. oh well just means i'll have good people around me at home.
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    I have no problem with female officers on swat. IIRC they have a woman on Dallas Swat and also on L.A. County Swat.

    If L.A. City wants to push female officers to try out for Swat, great!

    Just don't change any of the standards! They should continue to recruit only from Metro Division and continue on with the same qualification standards!

    Same for blacks, latino's or any other demographic they want.

    Hell, offer minorities an incentive if you require more "diversity" to satisfy the PC crowd. But for cryin out loud... don't change the standards!

    It's not rocket science.

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    If truly changing from justifiable, objective criteria to largely subjective ones for appeasement, then they're gonna get what they get. And that'll justify a purely subjective evaluation, when officers end up not being able to perform when it counts: it sucks.

    There's a job to be done, and it's a tough one. Can't do the job? Then you shouldn't be allowed to hold the job. It really should be that simple, irrespective of anything but ability that merits the position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock and Glock View Post
    It's really not an issue of race or sex - it's an issue of capabilities. They need to focus on recruiting the most capable regardless of gender or race. PC run amok in the land 'o fruits and nuts.......

    The LA SWAT record appears enviable, too - quite amazing!
    Agreed.

    Further what difference does race, ethnicity, or even gender matter to a BG being taken down or even the rescuee?
    It's not germane to the mission. Especially not when the mission regularly involves covering of said officers faces with baclavas and/or masks to protect their identity (!).
    As to women there are some strong and physically capable women that can do what guys do and just as quickly. They may not though be in the LAPD. If I were Bratton I would not just look at the entrance requirements to SWAT but balance that by also looking at the crop from which the cream hails. Are the LAPD officer corp. from which SWAT is made up of too soft or even incapable when it comes to meeting the needs of SWAT. If so possibly greater or better PT is required for the crop in order to better increase the number of cream from which SWAT has to choose from.
    But then that would be too much like fair, and right, and sensible, and...

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    I would have no objection to a woman sniper. A whole lot of women can shoot better than me. But when it comes to kicking in doors to save my or my wifes bacon, I'd want the steel curtain coming down the hall and I don't care what color they are. I want to see a 6 and 1/2 foot wall of body armor and MP5s. Unfortunately, there are too many cases every year where such teams are needed. I'm glad they're there. Is such a case a 70 year old woman from N.O. in her own house with a 38 special? I hardly think so. But the Elian Gonzalezs' and so on aside, there are plenty of other cases where entry teams saved the day that we never hear about. I had no idea that the L.A. Swat team had a record that good. It's miraculous really, when you consider how dangerous L.A. is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob72 View Post
    Give them what they want. If good people leave Cali, we can let it burn.
    My thoughts exactly, they choose to vote in an Austrian immigrant just as Germany did not so long ago. Why is anyone surprised that this Austrian immigrant, a son of a Nazi raised as a Nazi is a socialist and fascist?

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