DEA agents are losing their guns!(merged)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Cloud View Post
    Ah...I see...and stand corrected. (but I still want those ass clowns fired)
    What should we do to Joe Citizen who has his weapon lost/stolen, and then used in a crime? Does he bear NO responsibility for failing to safeguard his firearm?
    A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.

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    What kind of fools have these weapons and just loose them? Granted my department is no where near that size (we have 91 employees) and we have not lost a firearm yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff F View Post
    Well I guess I need my mental health evaluated then because I think the goverment is way out of control and a large portion of it needs disarmed. It is inconcievable to me that we have an armed branch of the federal goverment to collect taxes. Our founders had no fear greater than that of the goverment and if they were here today you probably would need to have their mental state evaluated also. Of course just one of them had more brains than the entire federal goverments "brainpower" combined today.
    You may not need your mental health examined, but you need your facts checked. IRS Criminal Investigation Special Agents do not collect taxes - they investigate tax crimes. The crimes, lo and behold, are commited by criminals. Criminals often don't like it when you try to arrest them. Sometimes, they resist. Sometimes, they resist violently. Which cops, exactly, do you have problems with? And why? YOU want to be armed at all times simply to walk the streets, and avoid contact with criminals. It is the feds job to SEEK contact with criminals, but you want THEM to be disarmed? If I may put it bluntly: WTH?
    A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.

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    There in lies your problem. You believe that your existence is to protect me and my family. What a joke. I neither need or want your protection. One axiom that stands true for all goverments through out history is that "absolute power corrupts absolutely". I don't hate any law enforcement or the goverment when it operates within the scope of it's intended purpose. Unfortunately the longer it's in existence the more it looses sight of that mandate that we the people allow it to have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    What should we do to Joe Citizen who has his weapon lost/stolen, and then used in a crime? Does he bear NO responsibility for failing to safeguard his firearm?
    No person be it Joe Citizen or Mr. DEA should be responsible for a weapon that is stolen and then used in a crime. As far as the loss of the weapon goes...Joe Citizen pays for his own firearms...I pay for yours. I also pay you to keep up with it. Joe Citizen is not accountable to you...You are accountable to Joe Citizen. (unless you're batfe and don't even think you're accountable to GOD.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    Just found an interesting stat from here: Section I: Gun Violence in the United States (This is a DOJ website)

    "In 1994, more than a quarter-million households experienced the theft of one or more firearms; nearly 600,000 guns were stolen during these burglaries."
    I think it's telling that you actually seem to believe these DOJ statistics.

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    OK. You and yours investigate the terror rings that are planning the next 9-11. You and yours arrest and incarderate the tens of thousands of criminals that would otherwise be on the streets every year. You and yours protect all the Embassies and Consulates around the world, inspect the cargo that comes into the country, monitor the borders, patrol the coasts, investigate international child porn rings, protect the sanctity of our currency, interrogate terror suspects, run the counter-espionage programs that keep our national secrets safe, and so on and so on and so on. As for "me and mine," I'd rather stay away from that scenario, thanks.

    Seriously, sometimes the shortsightedness and parochialism on this board disappoints me. We'll blast the media as sensationalists and distorters of truth, until the write a non-story about 15 weapons a year (that's about $7500 worth of loss/theft. Woo frickin' hoo, in a budget of billions - I had to pay that much to fix my car last month) and suddenly we're all up in arms about that horrid, wastful, worthless, good-for-nothing, power mad gubmint. Get a grip, folks. Really.

    Quote Originally Posted by clemmac View Post
    I think it's telling that you actually seem to believe these DOJ statistics.
    I think it's EXTREMELY telling that you don't.

    Paranoia, folks. It's bad for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Cloud View Post
    No person be it Joe Citizen or Mr. DEA should be responsible for a weapon that is stolen and then used in a crime. As far as the loss of the weapon goes...Joe Citizen pays for his own firearms...I pay for yours. I also pay you to keep up with it. Joe Citizen is not accountable to you...You are accountable to Joe Citizen. (unless you're batfe and don't even think you're accountable to GOD.)
    I've lost things in the military before, and even had them STOLEN from me. Guess what? I paid. I would wager that, at least in the cases of "lost" weapons, these folks are paying. What now?

    And why is there NO responsibility for stolen weapons? What if I left it on a table in my front yard, and went on vacation. Two weeks later, I come home and the weapon is gone. Two weeks after that, the neighbor shoots his wife with my gun. I bear NO level of guilt for not securing my weapon? (And to be fair, I agree with your position 99%, I'm just pointing out that there could be circumstances where the steal-ee might face some consequences).
    A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.

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    my question is how did the firearm get in the waste basket in the first place? even if the weapon was a peice of crap i wouldn't throw it away(i'd use it to bludgion a badguy).
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    Yes, if they pay for a replacement then I'd be satisfied with a reprimand. The NO responsibility for stolen weapons use is for the same reason there's no responsibility for the use of a stolen car. If someone stole my car, got drunk and hit someone in a head on, I shouldn't be responsible. We can't protect our every possesion 24/7. If someone stole my Louisville Slugger and so on...I respect the jobs these guys do and believe they should have the means to carry them out. The only real loose cannons I see out there are batfe. They give the Feds a black eye IMO.
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    The BATFE aren't my favorite, either, but they aren't all bad. They have a tough and thankless job, and some real a-holes operate with that outfit, but the same can be said for any big organization.

    In any case, I'm going to step out of the thread for a while before I say something that - while true - might get me in trouble...

    Be safe, all of you.
    A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    Oh, I read it fine... It said you only knew about OCONUS losses, but assumed that there were CONUS ones, too. I was confirming that assumption.

    Are you saying that citizens don't lose weapons? That state and local cops don't lose weapons? I wonder what the rate is for state and local cops...what will you say if it turns out to be higher than that of feds? And many, if not most, of the fed weapons being discussed were STOLEN, not "lost." The article highlights the preposterous ones, not the run of the mill ones. Your logic and decuctive reasoning are massively overwhelmed by some deep rooted bias against feds - I suggest you find a fed-bashing forum to vent on...

    Yeeeaaahhhhh..... OK. So, volunteer firefighters can still fight fires, but they can't use hoses or protective gear - only the professional ones can use that stuff. It'll help ease the "friction." Feds have had cars stolen, too - can they still wear seat belts when they ride around with these Peace Officers? Are you for real, or are you just having a go?

    Yes, you definitely need to seek counseling for this delusional and irrational hatred of feds - cops who put their lives on the line every day to protect you and yours from terrorists, criminals, and various assorted other scumbags...

    Seriously, do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds?

    There are no elite FED Civilian Peace Officers, there maybe be some paranoid ones, might have more resources than Local Civilian Peace Officers, but both still put their pants on one leg at a time and the Local Civilian Peace Officers know the ground.

    Yes, Citizens lose weapons, their own weapons. Whereas FED Civilian Peace Officers lose taxpayer's paid weapons. Simple is lose a taxpayer paid weapon and you are fired. Note: Many Local (State, County, and City) Civilian Peace Officers carry their own weapons not weapons paid for by the taxpayers.

    Again, you are stating apples and pears comparsion, 75% of Fire Fighters are volunteer, leaving 25% paid Fire Fighters.

    Citizens have no need to give any liberty for any amount of security be that security real or just perceived (which most is just probably perceived).

    P.S. I know many former and current FED Civilian Peace Officers, all good fellars and gals. They see through fog or BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    In any case, I'm going to step out of the thread for a while before I say something that - while true - might get me in trouble...
    That's an excellent idea.

    I suggest that everyone step out of this thread for a while and kick back, chill out, kick the dog, and have a cold brew.

    We really don't want to close this thread, but if it doesn't get back to civility, it will be.


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    I dont mind saying what needs to be said, and if I get in "trouble" oh well, what the worst that can happen? Is someone going to come over and smack my hands with a ruler? Wash my mouth out with soap?

    Its obvious that more than a few arguments here are not thought out at all. Taking a simpleton approach and coming up with a simpleton argument for a complex issue does nothing but show the ignorance about the topic at hand. Some of the comments I've read look like the TV interviews about the local UFO sighting, or after some natural disaster... you know the ones, when they go out and find the person with the least teeth and cant answer the most basic of questions, and makes the entire community look horrible to the average viewer.

    When ever you have a large organization with a large quanity of inventory, you are going to have losses and in some cases overages. The military reports trucks, aircraft etc as lost all the time, they also find large peices of equipment they didnt know they had. Does that mean its gone? Nope, not that often anyway. It doesnt happen in private industry near as much for one reason... its somebody's dollar, and that somebody gives a hoot about their money and assets.

    I bet that most of the losses where clerical losses, and a small percentage where lost by agents. DEA also operates task forces that are made up of local LEO's who are loaned out to the agency. Equipment gets swapped back and forth all the time, and loaned to the agents home agency, all it takes is one clerical error from one of the many people the paperwork passes and that peice of equipment is "lost", even though its there right were its supposed to be. I've seen it many times first hand.

    Factor in that most federal agencies stopped hiring cops and started hiring pointdexters years ago adds to the problem. The guns are just another tool and are rarely used many of the new breed dont care for them as the old school street cop would, or even one that was just a gun guy/gal. These types will leave it in hotel rooms, rental cars etc, its an inconvience to them not a lifeline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff F View Post
    Interesting comment bandit383. I would hope that we aren't regularly going around losing our guns. Of course I don't work for an inept goverment that just keeps throwing money to broken agencies with no hope of ever fixing them because they will not ever get rid of the problems that created it from top to bottom. Most of us have real jobs where people get fired for being stupid.
    Sorry...been on the road in my "real job", hence why I did not reply sooner.

    1) I don't think agencies "regularly" go around losing guns and I also believe there are severe penalties for such up to losing one's job. But everybody seems to want to make it black and white when it is not so.

    2) As for "inept gov"...I can think of many inept civilian companies that have and continue to rip off people (but withhold whom out of respect of board members). Sure doesn't excuse problems that exist at the local, state, and country govts. But I think many in govt try to do the right things as well as things right. They also have to do it sometimes without the right tools or the right assets or the right number of people (have you ever been in that boat?). And because they may have one hand tied behind their back...they look "inept" to those looking in, not out.

    I will agree...there is much waste...but govt doesn't have a lock on this thought. Could they be better...you bet. Accountable...you bet. Fired...maybe, maybe not. 20 yr veteran, saved 5 people from assured death, solved countless crimes, brought closure to countless families, awarded Honor Medal, etc etc...versus the 6 mo rookie? Not everything is black and white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bandit383 View Post
    Why... and what do you do?

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    FYI, I'm a desktop programmer who has flown all over the country, to the tune of over a million frequent flier miles, and never once lost my laptop. What do you do? But what you or I do is beside the point.

    Armed Federal agents or any LEOs for that matter, are supposed to be professionals. Losing your piece, due to your own negligence or carelessness, isn't professional. If you do [lose your weapon] you should also lose your job, after you pay for the weapon. If this was a policy, etched in stone, I would bet you that the incidence of lost weapons would fall to 0%.

    This link is about a BATFE agent who left her sidearm in the LADIES ROOM at Billy Mitchell Airport in Milwaukee. The article does not mention whether the weapon was left in the Secure Zone or the area before the metal detectors. Check it out:

    The Journal Times Online > Local News > ATF agent leaves gun in bathroom at Milwaukee airport

    If a civilian with a CCW left their piece in a public rest room, he/she would be charged with reckless endangerment at the very least. For sure they would lose their CCW.

    One of the most important things one who carries, professional or average Joe, has to think about is RETENTION. It's hard enough to make sure some BG doesn't take it away from you but heck, she just walked away from it.

    Rick, please don't misinterpret my statements on this thread as some kind of dislike or contempt for LEOs or government. Two of my best friends are LEO supervisors. My son-in-law is a LEO. I support what they do 100%. I just don't want careless people doing that that job.
    Last edited by KenInColo; March 31st, 2008 at 12:11 AM. Reason: spelling
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