DEA agents are losing their guns!(merged)

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    DEA agents are losing their guns!(merged)

    ABC News: Is That a Gun in Your Wastebasket, or Are You Just Happy to See Me?

    Part of concealed carry and gun ownership is "MAINTAIN CONTROL OF YOUR FIREARM!!!!"
    "Gun Free Zones" is where only criminals carry guns.

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    Wow I wonder if they lost their jobs

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    ahhh...the one mistake society...until it is their butt on the line.

    I wonder how many LEOs...Fed, city, or township, guards etc... or CCWs or just a gun at home have lost weapons? Should it be prevented..yep...mistake proof...utopia.

    Singling out the DEA does nothing but point fingers...instead of improving the educational process.

    ...and I'll add, the anti's trying to build a case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bandit383 View Post
    ahhh...the one mistake society...until it is their butt on the line.

    I wonder how many LEOs...Fed, city, or township, guards etc... or CCWs or just a gun at home have lost weapons? Should it be prevented..yep...mistake proof...utopia.

    Singling out the DEA does nothing but point fingers...instead of improving the educational process.

    ...and I'll add, the anti's trying to build a case.

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    Yep, must be DEA's turn in the barrel. A few years ago, it was the feebs, a few years before that, the Secret Service...
    A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bandit383 View Post
    ahhh...the one mistake society...until it is their butt on the line.

    I wonder how many LEOs...Fed, city, or township, guards etc... or CCWs or just a gun at home have lost weapons? Should it be prevented..yep...mistake proof...utopia.

    Singling out the DEA does nothing but point fingers...instead of improving the educational process.

    ...and I'll add, the anti's trying to build a case.

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    I agree with you, but it goes to show how little education or follow through there is on weapons training. In my mind this is such huge violation of the basic rules it boggles my mind. I have owned weapons since I first became an adult, I was trained from the beginning that I need to know where my weapon is at all times, and I have never misplaced one!

    If they started proper training, and them making examples of those that do not (i.e. loose them in the bathroom, or driving off with them on your roof), maybe others would take the training to heart.
    "Gun Free Zones" is where only criminals carry guns.

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    DEA Audit: Fewer missing laptops, more missing guns.

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    Justice Department Report: DEA Reduces Agency Laptop Theft but Missing Weapons Rate Edges Up

    Friday, March 28, 2008

    WASHINGTON The Drug Enforcement Administration is losing more guns but fewer laptops than it was about five years ago, the Justice Department's inspector general said Friday.

    The follow-up report found that some of the same problems cited in a 2002 audit remain: Policies for storing weapons and laptops are not always followed and, when they are lost, officials don't regularly report them.

    The report credited the DEA with a 50 percent reduction in the frequency with which laptops are lost and stolen. But the inspector general said officials often have no idea what information was on the computers when they were stolen.

    Officials are required to document whether sensitive material was on a lost or stolen computer. But of the 231 laptops lost in the 5 1/2 years covered by the report, such documents were filed only five times.

    "We asked DEA senior managers what the DEA did to determine the contents of the remaining 226 lost or stolen laptop computers. The DEA was unable to provide information regarding what was on the laptops," the report said. "We believe the DEA's inability to determine what was on the many stolen or missing laptops was a significant failure."

    Auditors said the DEA lost 22 firearms and had an additional 69 stolen over the 5 1/2-year period. The stolen weapons included pistols, rifles, shotguns, and a submachine gun.

    The majority of stolen guns had been left in an official's car, despite a policy prohibiting leaving a weapon unattended in a vehicle. The report cited examples of guns stolen from cars parked outside restaurants, hotels, schools and gyms. Some agents had their guns taken from their cars while they were shopping or getting coffee. One firearm was stolen while the car was at the body shop.

    The DEA, in a written response attached to the report, said it agreed with many of the recommendations and had already taken several steps to improve its reporting process. All laptops containing sensitive information are now encrypted, the agency said, and all lost or stolen firearms are routinely reported.

    "The DEA has made significant improvements in its rate of loss for laptops," agency spokesman Garrison Courtney said. "In those instances where weapons were lost or stolen, appropriate disciplinary actions were taken by DEA."
    I would love to see the "Missing Evidence" results of that audit from the DEA, and an audit on the BATFE.
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    article didn't say anything about how large the DEA was...
    from wikipedia:

    With a budget exceeding 2.415 billion dollars, DEA employs over 10,800 people, including over 5,500 Special Agents.
    a crude calculation:

    91 weapons over 6 years = about 15 weapons/year

    15/5,500 (special agents only) = 0.28 % an agent will loose a weapon in a year.

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    FBI lost 354 weapons in 2002-2003. 10,300 agents.

    177 weapons a year / 10,300 agents = 1.7 % an agent will loose a weapon in a year.

    Maybe they should have mentioned the FBI since they were 6 times more likely to loose a weapon?


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    Am I to understand this is the same federal goverment that's worried about illegal gun sales at gun shows? Maybe the criminals would be better off hanging around a pinhead federal agent for a couple of days to get his gun
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    Disarm "all" the FED's; they can depend on the local Peace Officers and armed USA Citizens. Save many tax dollars for all the associated costs of letting them go around armed, it is not their right but a privledge granted to them by the tax payers.

    Keep the Highway Patrol, County Deputy Sheriff's, and City Police armed.

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    Great idea, DOG. When I start my criminal career, I'll just make sure to do it near a State line...

    I'd be willing to bet that the rate of loss/theft is higher among the general population than it is among feds, and feds have their weapons "out and about" FAR more often than do average folks.

    While we're at it...I know several soldiers who have lost weapons - we'd better disarm the military while we're at it! They're only tax-sucking slackers, living off the largesse of the over burdened working man, away with those welching loafers immediately!
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    Has anyone seen my pistol i put it right here in this trash can just 10 minutes ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by f8lranger4x4 View Post
    Wow I wonder if they lost their jobs
    They should have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenInColo View Post
    They should have.
    Why... and what do you do?

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    Interesting comment bandit383. I would hope that we aren't regularly going around losing our guns. Of course I don't work for an inept goverment that just keeps throwing money to broken agencies with no hope of ever fixing them because they will not ever get rid of the problems that created it from top to bottom. Most of us have real jobs where people get fired for being stupid.
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    Just found an interesting stat from here: Section I: Gun Violence in the United States (This is a DOJ website)

    "In 1994, more than a quarter-million households experienced the theft of one or more firearms; nearly 600,000 guns were stolen during these burglaries."

    At that time, there were 44 million gun owners. 600k/44million = 1.4%, a rate some 5 times higher than DEA agents in recent history. And these are folks who, by and large, just leave their guns at home and don't have to keep track of them all day, every day.

    But, by all means, let's throw stones from our glass houses, blame "the gub'mint," and otherwise vent on people who are five times as responsible with their weapons than are "normal" gun owners...
    A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.

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