This is a discussion on Homeland Security Check Point within the Law Enforcement, Military & Homeland Security Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by flagflyfish She should have detained him for being evasive! As an added bonus they could tear his truck apart looking for contriband, ...
I suggest you cooperate with authorities. You will not enjoy the alternative.
Whether you agree with the law or not....LEO can stop you anywhere and ask for ID...to that you must comply...you may not impede an investigation (questions)...you do not have to submit to a search without probable cause....oh, and here's an FYI: If you're cuffed and carted....you might beat the rap...but you won't beat the ride through the courts
You're correct, the CBP officer in the video was inexperienced.
If you go this knucklehead's webpage, you will see he does this sort of thing all the time...in one video, the CBP is taking pictures of him, waving to the camera and calling him by name. He's a known entity.
There's a definate difference in mentality the further inland from the coast lines you go...I guess the sea breeze is good for us.
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What's the guys idea? He is obstructive, evasive, obnoxious and just an overall PITA! Does he think he is he the second coming of Michael Moore?
Why go around inviting this kind of response? Does he have an inferiority complex? Does he believe he is Sinclair Lewis?
Come on...he is not! He is a jerk, running around with a camera being a self-righteous crusader.
Do I care about his pompous attitude? No!
Do I answer LEO's questions? Yes! Am I evasive and contrary? No! I just want to go my way with the minimum of hassle. I have nothing to hide, and I suggest that "standing up for one's rights" when there is nothing to gain, or lose, is a akin to being disruptive while under IRS exam..........there's nothing but downside.
The tyrant dies and his rule is over, the martyr dies and his rule begins. ― The Journals of Kierkegaard
It is my understanding, which means I could well be wrong, that there is a set number of miles from the border beyond which they can not set up checkpoints. I had heard that was 50 miles, but don't really know if this is true or not.
Checkpoints miles from the border are in my opinion too intrusive for ordinary motorists to be subject to. I don't like them at all (the checkpoints). I think they are fundamentally wrong, and Constitutionally questionable, even if the not so conservative "conservatives" on the bench think it is OK to let police power permeate our society.
However, we must be pragmatic. We have a heck of an illegal migration and drug or people smuggling problem, and these types of checkpoints might slow it down just a tad.
So we get to choose. A little too much police authority, or a little more additional illegal migration.
I don't like the choices.
Also if you have 20 or so minutes watch this siminar about the 4th and 5th Amendment. This issue goes deeper then "Well I have nothing to hide, i'll just give in"
The Border Patrol agent was an idiot. She had no idea of her authority. I am against illegal immigration as much as the next guy, but I am VERY much against road side 'checkpoints'.
I've seen a lot of countries with roadside 'checkpoints' and none of them were places I would want to live in.
Go ahead...applaud the police state that we are coming to, but when it comes don't expect people like the guy in the video to stand up for you, because he'll be among the first in prison.
There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil.
Who is John Galt?
Oh I think "tool" is putting it mildly.
If you're gonna carry in your state or any other, know the laws (not just the CW laws either)....as Lt. Col Grossman sez in the video I posted in another thread....get range time, study laws, be proactive....
You open your mouth at the wrong time or wrong place, carrying a firearm and you may find yourself in cuffs and losing your favorite shooter (and the right to carry another)....it'll be an expensive course in law and the legal system, and you'll get no degree in the end.
"These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier
and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the
service of his country; but he that stands it now, deserves the
love and thanks of man and woman."
-- Thomas Paine (The American Crisis, No. 1, 19 December 1776)
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The guy in the video isn't some noble crusader for my rights or your rights. As mentioned above, he seeks out these confrontations and videotapes them for his website.
Taking notice of this fact is not "applauding the police state", if such a thing actually exists.
If his behavior on the video is an indication of how he conducts himself daily, then you are correct that he will likely end up in jail soon. That won't be the result of a "police state", but rather a result of his desire for confrontation and escalation.
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I'm an LEO, and I don't like these checkpoints. I don't see what purpose a DHS checkpoint 50 miles from the border serves. There can be no reasonable suspicion inferred from the simple fact that a person is driving on a public highway within 50 miles of the border. The only place that it should be reasonable to stop everybody is AT the border, to control entry. I don't stop motorists unless I have a reasonable suspicion that they have violated a law or ordinance, and that's the way it should be. Outside of emergency exigent circumstances, I don't see a need or justification for random stops.
However, I do find our video camera toting friend to be quite the obnoxious jerk. I can't imagine the founding fathers engaging in such childish behavior. Whether he's right or wrong, I think there are better ways to address constitutional issues than going around sticking a video camera in peoples' faces and provoking confrontations. Nobody likes a jerk.
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