In case you didn't see this. It's a Homeland Security check point 50 miles from the border.
LiveLeak.com - Rejecting Authority at Police State Checkpoint
LiveLeak.com - Rejecting Authority at Police State Checkpoint
Um, no.The 'Border Patrol' was a little outside their jurisdiction...as in, not at the border.
Metro40 has it about right here. Consider--my wife and I are driving along an Interstate east of El Paso Texas. The posted speed limit is 80. (Few exceed that, it seems self preservation instincts work for most.)I'm an LEO, and I don't like these checkpoints. I don't see what purpose a DHS checkpoint 50 miles from the border serves. There can be no reasonable suspicion inferred from the simple fact that a person is driving on a public highway within 50 miles of the border. The only place that it should be reasonable to stop everybody is AT the border, to control entry. I don't stop motorists unless I have a reasonable suspicion that they have violated a law or ordinance, and that's the way it should be. Outside of emergency exigent circumstances, I don't see a need or justification for random stops.
In Southern Arizona, there is a reasonable suspicion that EVERYONE is an illegal alien. Since we have limited the effectiveness of BP agents on the border, it is necessary that we allow them to do their jobs without being subject to jerks trying to obstruct law enforcement.I wonder how this immigration checkpoint fits in with the SCOTUS opinion that the police can do "safety checkpoints." Obviously the BP is looking for aliens, since she immediately asks about citizenship.
No probable cause. Ne reasonable suspicion. Either she knew her job or she didn't depending on perspective, but she let it drag on way too long. Yeah the guy was a bit of a jerk, but he never crossed a line, e.g. yelling, cursing, etc.
The fact is that reasonable suspicion is solely the determination of the Border Patrol agent. Hopefully, people will learn that cooperating with law enforcement is not only an obligation but a benefit to our nation.I'd say the encounter ended with the BP agent getting schooled. Hopefully she takes it to heart and assimilates it into her future encounters and how she views our freedoms.
Exactly. A very different issue IMHO.I don't see it as an invasion of my rights to stop and render aid to a federal agent trying to catch illegals. Now, if she shows up at my door to search my house then we have an altogether different problem.
Was the guy a jerk and probably could and should have gone about this problem another way...Absolutely. That doesn't however, abdicate our folks in uniform following unconstitutional laws.I admire those who broke our rotten, rights-defying anti- immigration laws to come here. These brave people knew it was better to live in America under a stigma, in the semi-shadows, than as "legals" in their native countries.
I suppose since you do not accept the authority of the Executive branch, you do not condone lawfully passed legislation by the Legislative branch, and you do not adhere to case law reviewed by the Judicial branch, that you personally should determine what is Constitutional and what is not. And who do we get to question your authority?Was the guy a jerk and probably could and should have gone about this problem another way...Absolutely. That doesn't however, abdicate our folks in uniform following unconstitutional laws.
There is no violation of the Fourth Amendment at a Border Patrol checkpoint. There is no unreasonable search without a warrant.All you "Americans" advocating the violation of not only the 4th Amendment (by following Title 8, section 1357 which grants immigration officers something called "powers without warrant."), but also the concept of individual freedom, should be ashamed of yourselves.
The very first thing these invaders do is break the law. Most subsequently continue to break the law and conspire with others to break even more laws. It has nothing to do with whether they pay taxes. Who is to blame? The illegal aliens.Ask yourselves why "Illegal" aliens are just that, Illegal. The only reason the US considers them illegal is because they don't "pay" taxes, but yet some of them put their hands in the coffer. So who's really to blame here; the thieves stealing from the thief that stole the results of your hard work/effort, or the original thief?
One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.Still want to complain about the "Illegals" partaking in our social programs, but don't want to get rid of our social programs(darn you commies)?
Sounds like a good plan.Just deny them access to the social programs.
Not everyone. Many on this forum are willing to sacrifice national security rather than tell someone their name and citizenship.WHY oh why does everyone seem to think it's ok to just do random stops and ask for ID just in the name of National Security?
The Border Patrol has jurisdiction throughout the United States. They set up checkpoints at places where they have reasonable suspicion that illegals will be found. And right they are. The succcess of the checkpoints is well documented. Sadly, some of these illegals have murdered our Federal agents at checkpoints.What's the difference from them making these stops 10, 50 or 400 miles inland of the border? ...hint: NONE! Using your logic, they can stop you anytime they want, without cause, without warrant, and for any myriad of unknown reasons in your own driveway.
It makes no difference why there is a problem. These smugglers illegally cross the border bringing with them tons of illegal drugs. Checkpoints have successfully confiscated millions of dollars worth of drugs just last month alone. Further, human smugglers (called coyotes) have been captured at this checkpoints. In Phoenix this week, a large number of illegals were held hostage by the smugglers. More checkpoints would make this less of a problem.As far as the drugs and human smuggling arguments...weak at best. Why is there a drug problem?
It would be his perogative if it didn't affect society as a whole, which it does. And you opinion on the subject does nothing to mitigate the fact that it is still illegal.If someone wants to fry his brain that's his perogative. The smuggling problem is solved rather easily by solving the first problem I pointed out.
Oh, you can be 'nicer' than this!Sorry, that's about as "Nice" as I can get on this thread. And yes, I'm white, American born/raised, and of Norse/Native American descent.