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    USMC Days

    This is a continuation of a thread begun by a very concerned mom asking for advice about her son, who is contemplating joining the Marine Corps either as an enlisted man or as an officer. So as not to interfere with that and keep going off topic, I am starting this thread so buckeyelcpl and others can have another place to talk to me about the New Corps as opposed to that of 1963-1967 when I was in :)
    Surrounded and outnumbered, Marine Col Lewis Puller: "Good! We finally got 'em where we want 'em!" (Korea, 1950)
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    Well, I'm in, although have stuff comin up here shortly that will make me unable to see or post it.

    Garands in AIT huh? We had A4's, now boot camp weapons and gear were old school, like flak jackets, helmets, and 782 gear Vietnam vets would probably know about.
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    Yep, the 782 gear. By the way, I just PMd Bumper about me starting this thread because although it is Military, it is not about current military events etc and i wanted to be a hundred percent sure it is okay to do this memories thing under this particular thread. See what I mean? It is military but not current military etc

    What years were you in again, buckeyelcpl?

    I just noticed that the subtitle of Law Enforcement and Military includes Afghanistan and Iraq and now I am more unsure than before about the propriety of having this USMC Days on here as it is not current events. I PMd Bumper about it but could a moderator tell me if this is okay or help me delete this if it is not deemed appropriate as it does not discuss current conflicts in those two countries? Thanks.
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    Surrounded and outnumbered, Marine Col Lewis Puller: "Good! We finally got 'em where we want 'em!" (Korea, 1950)
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    Socrates : "Knowledge is knowing that we know nothing".

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    If its not ok it'll just get moved to off topic, at least thats what usually seems to happen, one of the mods will take care of it.

    July 2007-July 2011 at least DCB
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    I just asked them to, or maybe to off topic part of it.....want to keep on the right side of the rules----Marine training....You are still active duty, I didn't know that. Do they still call reenlisment Shipping Over?
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    Yup, still AD, not quite even a year in yet, no "pumps" for me yet either, although both of those things will be happening before too long.

    No, its usually just called re-upping, or re-enlisting, we do enough "shipping over" during our 4 years, especially as grunts, that wouldn't really make too much sense.

    However a lot of guys to re-enlist while overseas, that makes the bonus tax-free, can get a nice little account set up with bonuses these days.
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    Spend any time at lovely Camp Lejeune yet? Besides the AIT part of it? And what year did they begin the Crucible and was it as tough as it looks?
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    Nope, my PDS for my first enlistment is in Hawaii, so the only time in Lejune was during ops of SOI.

    I believe the Crucible was started in the 90' when Gen. Krulak was Commandant, but don't quote me on that. Yeah, it was not a fun three days, but there were tougher 3 day training ops in both SOI and the fleet, just not as used to being filthy and hungry back then.

    Nothing like finishing an 8 mile hump at sunrise to stand at the base of a statue of Iwo and get the Eagle Globe and Anchor for the first time though, proudest moment of my life so far.
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    I know you have seen Full Metal Jacket. When I was in it was precisely like that, except there were three DIs not one.
    It was just like going to Fort Leavenworth, we were scared to death the entire time. I cannot describe how scary it was.
    All my buddies, we keep in touch nearly every day for years and years now, and we discuss the Newer Corps sometimes and I have found one thing that I don't know the explanation for.
    I have found that Marines since we were in, are as squared away, as dedicated, as on the ball as we were, or thought we were, and yet the fear at Parris Island is not the same as when we were there.
    We used to think that the fear was absolutely necessary and there were even generals at the time that said "Fear, then discipline, then pride" and we and they all believed that abject fear was absolutely necessary for Marines to experience in order to be effective upon graduation from boot camp.
    But we looked at new Marines over the years and said hey these guys have their s..... TOGETHER BIG TIME. We would be proud to be alongside these guys in combat anyday. These guys are as good or better than we were.
    If fear does not play the part we all thought it did, then what does nowadays? What is it at or about PI and SD that causes the same good Marines to be turned out on the parade deck for Graduation Day? We have no idea. We just know it is there, big time :) I have wondered about this for years.
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    O, there is still plenty of fear, especially during first phase, lots of fear and pain and sweat and a little blood usually.

    Aside from fear a big part of it is pride, and tradition. The Marines attract a certain breed, they are there to be the best. As far as tradition, can't let everyone else who has ever earned that title down, you have to do everything possible to keep up the reputation. People all over the world know Marines, and fear and respect them and look up to them, can't fail to carry on that tradition.
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    So it is there from the beginning. We had it but did not recognize it because we were so scared it was unbelievable. I am not ashamed to say that they really and truly made it like a prison camp. So we did not think like that. We did what they said immediately or got hurt, or got hurt anyway half the time. Nothing serious but most got at least a couple of whacks, just to be fair about it :)
    The bad apples got absolutely pounded. They changed real quick.
    So I guess we felt the same way as you but with what was going on, it was tough to even think. My first night there, when we hit the rack, I could not remember what it was like to have been a civilian.
    So we as a group are mighty impressed with the New Corps.
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    The physical abuse is now verboten, not supposed to happen at all. Although there is still plenty of pain to go around, I once got my butt kicked by a couple of plastic cards for about an hour. They get the nastiness out of you pretty quick, didn't sleep for like the first 36 hours, and I showed up at night. My military ID picture was taken during those 36 hours, people that see it say I didn't look very happy.

    Second night was July 4th, we did not get to watch the fireworks show.

    DI duty is probably one of the toughest in the Corps, not for me I don't think. A lot of PLT's now have 4 DI's, and you are a Marine for a week before graduation, trying to get you not to say sir to every Lance you meet in the fleet I suppose.
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    It sounds odd to say it but I think that nowadays new Marines are more sure that they want to go into the Corps. That may sound strange to you but in my day a lot of people went in but not with the same dedication necessarily. It varied. Now, it seems that everyone wants to be there. I think that people who join the Marine Corps are much more focused on the fact that they REALLY want to join. If this makes any sense.
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    That physical abuse was forbidden then too. But they cleverly had us close the venetian blinds before the games began. So even then it was a court-martial offense but went on without restraint of any kind.
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    Well currently not many judges give people a choice to join the military or jail (At least I've heard that used to happen). Everyone joining now knows that they are joining a warfighting branch during a time of war. You don't seem to get the ones looking for college money or looking primarily for a way to learn a skill, they join to be a Marine and learn that skill while serving their country.

    Like I've said, the Marines seem to draw a certain breed, there will always be turds who join for the wrong reasons and don't complete their tour or don't do it well, but they are by far the exception.

    One of my friends once told me the Marines was the "best time of his life he would never wish upon anyone else" so far I think that sums it up pretty well.
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