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D.C is going all the way...to a police state

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    What's the difference between this and the drunk driving roadblocks that we deal with here every holiday weekend? Yeah, we don't have to justify our presence, but it's just a minor step from what we accept as normal to atrocities such as this.

    How much freedom do we give up in the pursuit of a safe society?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fernset View Post
    Not only do those living in DC lack the freedom to own a firearm and protect themselves soom thy wont even be free to drive in public streets.

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    "We have to try to take away the things that are facilitating the ability to commit crime," Lanier said.
    Yeah, like Freedom.

    Police will search cars if they suspect the presence of guns or drugs, and will arrest people who do not cooperate, under a charge of failure to obey a police officer, officials said.
    "* Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

    Dead.

    One of Lanier's plans, the Safe Homes initiative, has yet to get off the ground because of a community backlash. The plan, announced by Lanier and Fenty at a news conference in March, called for police to go door-to-door in crime-ridden areas and ask residents whether they could go inside and search for guns
    Gee, some of the even don't like that one. Who'd have thought!

    The answer seems so obvious to me. Arm the people. Arm the law abiding people. The thugs and hoods don't want to prey on those who are armed (they're not attacking the police en mass, are they?).

    Regarding the planned roadblock/checkpoints,
    Some residents expressed support for the plan yesterday, saying they are willing to submit to the checks if it makes the neighborhood safer.
    See the quote below my signature...
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    speaking of trying to catch criminals before they act...


    I wonder if they are going to place a blockade in front of the capital building and ask all of the suits going in what trouble they are up to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kazzaerexys View Post
    Well, I am sure the ACLU will send a bunch of people to the checkpoints in order to have grounds to sue, thus protecting our freedom of movement in public places.
    Actually, this sounds like something the ACLU *should* be interested in. I'll see if I can find out how to notify them.
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    DC is an open sewer... My dad drove through the edges of a ghetto and we saw nothing but bums and pushers... dirty streets filled with graffiti etc. In a significant way, the people voted for this sort of thing, they put fools in office and they deserve what they got.

    Hopefully, I hope the good citizens of DC will RAPE the authorities there legally... they have gone on far to long striping away the freedom of people, it has become an official police state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dunndw View Post
    WASHINGTON -

    D.C. police will seal off entire neighborhoods, set up checkpoints and kick out strangers under a new program that D.C. officials hope will help them rescue the city from its out-of-control violence.
    Do you have a link for this?
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    If illegal searches and seizures make the city safer, then it's worth it.

    Just kidding. No opression is worse than those who tyrannize us 'for our own good'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fernset View Post
    Not only do those living in DC lack the freedom to own a firearm and protect themselves soom thy wont even be free to drive in public streets.

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    Heres a link. It got merged into this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilraen View Post
    Do you have a link for this?
    I don't know the exact link the OP used but here is a similar one

    Lanier plans to seal off rough ’hoods in latest effort to stop wave of violence - Examiner.com

    To the OP (and anyone else that is concerned) it is customary (and I think legally necessary) when copying and pasting a story to credit the author and source and also best to provide a direct link. keeps things nice and tidy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmidkiff View Post
    What's the difference between this and the drunk driving roadblocks that we deal with here every holiday weekend?
    Driving is a privilege -- that carries the obligation for the driver. (I have some problems with even these getting out of hand, but that is another story.)

    So, you are the DD for a holiday party. On the way home, you are stopped at a drunk driving roadblock. You are sober. Your passengers are . You drive on your way -- with no restriction as to where you go from that point.

    OTOH --these "Paper Please!!!" / Internal Passport check points are not limited to the driver being legally driving. They are demanding papers from everyone in the car. They have setup a list of who can drive into the area, what is a valid reason for driving into the area, etc. It's not a private-gated community, it's not "Government" property, but a public street into a civilian neighborhood where only the "right" people can drive.

    Save for the scope, how far is this from the USSR's, similar restriction on travel? It's like being a little pregnant, the nose of the camel, a slippery slope, etc.

    How much freedom do we give up in the pursuit of a safe society?


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    I can't wait for the SCOTUS decision.
    I may buy a gun store in DC, sales will set records!!
    So stupid, arm the people and give them a castle doctrine, and the problems will go away 1 at a time!
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    It continues to amaze me that there are people who hide behind the Constitution on topics that benefit themselves, but trash it when it suits their purposes. Our Founding Fathers put in a provision for change, but nobody wants to take the time to go the distance. Perhaps because they know the radical agenda won't fly with that many people.
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    This sound like a lousey sci-fi movie based on 1930's Germany. Our own version of the National Socialist Party in action.
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    Just curious, but how many would prefer gangbangers, thugs, scumbags and drug pushers to have free run of YOUR neighborhood?

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