D.C is going all the way...to a police state
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D.C. police will seal off entire neighborhoods, set up checkpoints and kick out strangers under a new program that D.C. officials hope will ...
June 4th, 2008 04:20 PM
D.C is going all the way...to a police state
D.C. police will seal off entire neighborhoods, set up checkpoints and kick out strangers under a new program that D.C. officials hope will help them rescue the city from its out-of-control violence.
Under an executive order expected to be announced today, police Chief Cathy L. Lanier will have the authority to designate “Neighborhood Safety Zones.” At least six officers will man cordons around those zones and demand identification from people coming in and out of them. Anyone who doesn’t live there, work there or have “legitimate reason” to be there will be sent away or face arrest, documents obtained by The Examiner show.
Lanier has been struggling to reverse D.C.’s spiraling crime rate but has been forced by public outcry to scale back several initiatives including her “All Hands on Deck” weekends and plans for warrantless, door-to-door searches for drugs and guns.
Under today’s proposal, the no-go zones will last up to 10 days, according to internal police documents. Front-line officers are already being signed up for training on running the blue curtains.
Peter Nickles, the city’s interim attorney general, said the quarantine would have “a narrow focus.”
“This is a very targeted program that has been used in other cities,” Nickles told The Examiner. “I’m not worried about the constitutionality of it.”
Others are. Kristopher Baumann, chairman of the D.C. police union and a former lawyer, called the checkpoint proposal “breathtaking.”
Shelley Broderick, president of the D.C.-area American Civil Liberties Union and the dean of the University of the District of Columbia’s law school, said the plan was “cockamamie.”
“I think they tried this in Russia and it failed,” she said. “It’s just our experience in this city that we always end up targeting poor people and people of color, and we treat the kids coming home from choir practice the same as we treat those kids who are selling drugs.”
The proposal has the provisional support of D.C. Councilman Harry “Tommy” Thomas, D-Ward 5, whose ward has become a war zone.
“They’re really going to crack down on what we believe to be a systemic problem with open-air drug markets,” Thomas told The Examiner.
Thomas said, though, that he worried about D.C. “moving towards a police state.”
"If I was an extremist, our founding fathers would all be extremists," he said. "Without them, we wouldn't have our independence. We'd be a disarmed British system of feudal subjectivity."
June 4th, 2008 04:29 PM
Between this and the "Safe Homes Initiative" (aka, Illegally Search Everybody for Illegal Guns & Drugs Initiative), I think you're right, they're well on their way to full-fledged Police State status.
Strange how divided our country is.
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June 4th, 2008 05:12 PM
My sister lives in NW DC. For such a small city, it's mind boggling how different the areas are. Super affluent almost across the street from slums, yet there seems to be invisible borders that no one crosses.
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June 4th, 2008 05:17 PM
That's an interesting statement from an Attorney General.
Nickles told The Examiner. “I’m not worried about the constitutionality of it.”
Attorney General:the chief law officer of a nation or state who represents the government in litigation and serves as its principal legal adviser.
June 4th, 2008 05:19 PM
Yah mein fuhrer,Isn't willfully knowingly breaking the law IE.exceeding you're authority not a crime in itself I wonder if these idiots were slapped behind bars how quick they're attitudes about not caring if it's legal or not would change.If I remember when you knowingly break laws it makes you a criminal,it doesn't matter why it's the fact that you didn't agree with them so you said "up yours" in essence that is what drug dealers,child pornographers,bank robbers,rapists,jaywalkers,all have in common they don't feel like they have to abide by the law,but there are consequences and I'm sure the Federal Courts will be full of lawsuits
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June 4th, 2008 05:59 PM
Papers Please!!! or Internal Passports In the USA!!!
Now who said (back on the "Would you show ID to an LEO?" thread) that fear of movement toward a Papers Please!!! or Internal Passports society were unwarranted?
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June 4th, 2008 07:41 PM
Well, I am sure the ACLU will send a bunch of people to the checkpoints in order to have grounds to sue, thus protecting our freedom of movement in public places. Right? Right??? (Where did those crickets come from...?)
I suppose if DC wanted to declare martial law to deal with the crime emergency then checkpoints would be a reasonable consequence. Shame the city gov't wouldn't have the cajones to try and do it that way.
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June 4th, 2008 09:26 PM
If they can do it there...they can do it ANYWHERE...
Stay armed...be watchful...vote...stay safe!
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June 4th, 2008 09:41 PM
Just a way out there thought, Give the honest people back the right to carry guns? Maybe that idea would work?
June 4th, 2008 09:43 PM
Glad I live in a small town
June 4th, 2008 11:43 PM
first thing that sprung to my mind...
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Seriously, I'm so glad I don't live in the DC area. I couldn't put up with this stuff.
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June 5th, 2008 12:46 AM
What ever happened to cops walking a beat.? instead of check points they need to put two uniformed on each corner, with the paddy wagon running at all times. There are plenty of cops in D.C. all kinds of COPS. More than you can count. but they are "SPECIAL" and dont walk at all. Just my thoughts on the subj. I spent some years working in D.C. in the 60s and 70s. Wonderful place, and Deadly.
June 6th, 2008 11:46 AM
Not only do those living in DC lack the freedom to own a firearm and protect themselves soom thy wont even be free to drive in public streets.
June 6th, 2008 12:12 PM
That's scary. I understand the reasoning, but it might be illegal. Someone, I'm sure, is going to complain about 4th amendment infringement. First the 2nd amendment erodes, now the 4th. Where will it end?
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June 6th, 2008 12:19 PM
Yeah, I understand the idea behind it but it hardly seems legal.
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