This is a discussion on Todays episode of...What the? within the Law Enforcement, Military & Homeland Security Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; I also have mixed feelings abou this. But, once again, Lima said what I would have and said it better than I could have....
I also have mixed feelings abou this. But, once again, Lima said what I would have and said it better than I could have.
-The Mist (2007)"My God David, We're a Civilized society."
"Sure, As long as the machines are workin' and you can call 911. But you take those things away, you throw people in the dark, and you scare the crap out of them; no more rules...You'll see how primitive they can get."
Big difference between noticing an unlocked door (leaving a note) and suspecting that the unlocked door may be indicative of the commission of a crime (investigating the scene). The officers felt, obviously, that it was the latter, given the circumstances they were in. Seeing as the article can't be considered a complete, necessarily accurate and/or impartial report of the incident, none of us are in a position to judge whether their suspicions were valid or not.
This is such a situational question, I don't think a hard and fast rule is possible. Then again, my butt has not been on the line for that sort of decision. I'd like to prolong the enjoyment of being deprived of the experience.
I wonder if Dad just moved in from a rural area where leaving things like that was not a problem.
OTOH, if articulable cause in a neighborhood they know well ...
As suggested by others, none of us were there, so to what degree it smelt like a risk, who can say.
I agree with all who say it's not the type of thing I'd particularly like, either. But then, it's matter of degrees. Which would I prefer: (a) criminals entering to rape/kill me and my family, or (b) police entering to, ostensibly, check things out and ensure the doors flung open didn't mean (a) had occurred? Don't like either? Lock/bar the doors to all entry, use the alarm, invest in 4wd / 4-legged friends, etc.
Is it unconstitutional or criminal for police to be taking community policing to this degree? IMO, no. Is it otherwise wholly inappropriate for police to be taking community policing this far? Depends on the community, I'd say.
"Just blame Sixto"
I find it hard to believe that there was anything indicating a crime here. How many places do you know of that the police actually go around checking to see if people lock their front doors? I think these officers were bored to tears and were looking for something to do. I would rather see them riding through the area with the windows down showing a presence. If a homeowner chooses not to lock a door, it is their business.
Lets see, was the guy an idiot for leaving his garage door unlocked, door open, yep.
Should the Leo's have gone into the house and woke the guy up, probably not. Were they justified in looking into the situation, absolutely. Would it have been a good idea to walk into the house and yell about probably not. Somebody yelling in my house in the middle of the night would not be a good thing.
Having dispatch call and try to get an answer would have been a good thing. Checking to make sure that the kids, don't know how old they were, is a good thing. Did they violate the 4th amendment, no, they weren't doing a search and seizure. They were checking things out to make sure people were safe.
It is pretty simple, if you do something bone headed, like leave all your stuff unlocked or open in the middle of the night, you need to be told about it. If you walk in and wake someone up in the middle of the night, you need to be called on it. Both parties were to blame, nothing ciminal in either case in my book.
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I made the key words stand out a little more. These things added up certainly do point to the possibility of something foul going on at the residence. Again, I have no idea what this town or neighbor hood is like, I doubt any of us do. We can only Monday morning QB this based on the info we do have, so let us at least use all of that info we do have to form our opinions.
"Just blame Sixto"
Yeah, I could just imagine trying to sneak down Sixto's hallway...crossbows tripped via pressure switches in the floor, trip lines attached to shotguns, and if you make it down the hallway you got Sixto throwing a bandoleer over his shoulder while preparing Ma Deuce...Yeah, sounds like a great idea.
Last edited by SIXTO; June 22nd, 2008 at 11:49 PM.
"Just blame Sixto"