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    Cool Big BOOM is the easy part....

    Quote Originally Posted by raevan
    now lets get really scary, 50,000 bombs planted in advance and all detonated with a cell phone on the 4th of July or New Years eve. Bombs can be made from things found in the kitchen.
    Making the explosive is the easy part. Making sure they all go off together is something else! Given the variables of distance, terrain (cell phones don't work too well someplaces in the mountains) and spotty service (Can you hear me NOW?) to start with, not to mention that a LOT of freq's come quite close together so that maybe someone ELSE makes a call and sets some off.....
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    50,000 BG's huh ?? What would happen if they all went out to some deserted power substation in different parts of the country and shot a transformer at the same time. CHAOS !! ----------

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSSZ
    50,000 BG's huh ?? What would happen if they all went out to some deserted power substation in different parts of the country and shot a transformer at the same time. CHAOS !! ----------
    According to my wife's dad who is a retired power company v.p. with a Ph.d in nuclear physics, it wouldn't be a transformer they were shooting at (those are the 55 gallon drum like things mounted over top peoples homes on the poles, but it would be something sensitive at a substation. LOL Reminds me of that line in The Hunt for Red October where the Russian captain (Sean Connery), wounded, tells Ryan to be careful what he shoots at becaue most things in the missile launch room don't react well to bullets. Well, duh!

    Local transformers wouldn't have the same effect that a substation would have on a larger region. There was a pair of middle eastern guys here in Miami, indicted after 911 for plotting to blow up power substations in a terror attack. They went to jail.
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    50,000 Bad Guys? Sorry if I am a little skeptical. Do you realize the kind of discipline that would require for 50,000 Terrs just to keep their mouths shut ?
    You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miggy
    50,000 Bad Guys? Sorry if I am a little skeptical. Do you realize the kind of discipline that would require for 50,000 Terrs just to keep their mouths shut ?
    Yeah, the "Border Breach" stats get a bit skewed by both sides. But. Even 5% of 50K is enough to do serious damage, given our technological dependence.

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    Exclamation OPSEC? Don't underestimate the ENEMY!

    Quote Originally Posted by Miggy
    50,000 Bad Guys? Do you realize the kind of discipline that would require for 50,000 Terrs just to keep their mouths shut ?
    If they're trying to blend in as Latinos as seems to be the case...I'm guessing they'll be keeping a low profile anyway. Look at the 911 hijackers. They didn't mix with anybody. Polite to neighbors, but quiet. Kept to themselves.

    The figures are an extrapolation of Border Patrol stats going back pre-911. Obviously not all of them are tango's. Those who are, will be (most likely) operating as part of a cell, and unlikely to mix with their infidel neighbors or coworkers. The extent to which the muslim community is aware of their activities is the key. Lots of extremeist mosques in this country.

    I'm also betting that a fair number of them have already been quietly picked off. Operations in motion have been thwarted. We know this.
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    If they're trying to blend in as Latinos as seems to be the case...I'm guessing they'll be keeping a low profile anyway. Look at the 911 hijackers. They didn't mix with anybody. Polite to neighbors, but quiet. Kept to themselves.
    Trust me, it will be easier for them to blend as african american than Latinos. A Muslim stands out like a flagpole in a Latino community. Their best bet to remain in the radar clutter is if they, like you said, are polite and keep to themselves and still people will talk about them arabs next door/across the street/next block.


    The figures are an extrapolation of Border Patrol stats going back pre-911. Obviously not all of them are tango's. Those who are, will be (most likely) operating as part of a cell, and unlikely to mix with their infidel neighbors or coworkers. The extent to which the muslim community is aware of their activities is the key. Lots of extremeist mosques in this country.
    I think we have to make a distinction. Yes there is a chance that a very selected few come illegally through the border with evil intents and might be part of sleeper cells but the majority are not BG's and just people wanting a share of the american dream or just plain common criminals trying to make a quick buck. These are also the minority. Criminals are too lazy to do such a trip and will settle in Europe which will provide with easy escape routes due to their open border policy. You will not read or see this in the media originating from Europe, but muslim-based common crime is an endemic in countries like Spain who had to develop a harsh repatriation policy with walls and fencing on its southern border because of the muslim illegal inmigrants. They had a pretty good handle of it till they went and make the mistake of voting for the socialist party after the Madrid bombings whose leaders promtly decided that such inmigration policy was inhuman and left the borders unguarded once again. Crime went up like a rocket and most Spaniards are mad as hell.

    So that on itself sort of eliminates the 50,000 figure. However, I do agree with the extremist mosque problem which may turn what originally was a non-BG Muslim into a tango.

    I'm also betting that a fair number of them have already been quietly picked off. Operations in motion have been thwarted. We know this.
    Until some 9th Circuit Judge decides that they have rights above and beyond ours.
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    I hate to say this, but if that came to pass, I would think it would be open season on anyone who even looks like a middle-eastern male. Lots of honest immigrants would be in real danger.

    In regards to encounters with terrorists,the smart course of action would be to hunker down at home with a loaded shotgun and wait it out.

    This would cause a whole other problem, however. If people didn't show up for work, the economy would go into the toilet. The only alternative would be heavily armed cops at every streetcorner. A couple of law officers standing in the food court with M-4 carbines are confidence boosters for nervous shoppers,I would think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawrence Keeney
    A couple of law officers standing in the food court with M-4 carbines are confidence boosters for nervous shoppers,I would think.
    Only in Israel. The sheeple here, would whine and squeal at the very sight.....you'd hear their knees knocking in Ontario.
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    There are the reports of AQ making deals with MS13 and paying big bucks to get smuggled deep into our territory. Nobody pays $50K to work in a 7/11. Miggy, I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
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    We agree on the tought of a small dedicated cell for a direct action. We disagree on the 50,000 organized attackers :)
    You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
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    Not sure it would take 50K worth of tangos to pull this off. Remember, the smaller the cells, the better the security. Fifty grand worth of terrorists drinking in bars and bragging to strippers would probably mean someone would screw up. They would brag, or threaten, or something, and the word would get out.

    I think fifty people in total could pull it off easily. Four of five teams of six shooters or bombers spread across the country could wreak havok. They would have everyone afraid of everyone with a dark complexion. Idiots would be beating up Indian guys at the 7-11 and doing other dumb things.

    Also, remember, one shot up shopping mall means 5000 shopping malls would be affected. The ones that people actually shopped at would be full of armed cops and security guards,which would strain both resources, and nerves.

    There would also be numerous malls, shopping centers, grocery stores, restaurants and theaters, that would be empty for weeks. People would be scared to go out.

    Now..that's chaos.
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