Mistaken 911 call question

This is a discussion on Mistaken 911 call question within the Law Enforcement, Military & Homeland Security Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; 411 miss-dialed can get you 911 and does here often enough. They treat that as a real call as well. Dispatch calls back to decide ...

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    411 miss-dialed can get you 911 and does here often enough. They treat that as a real call as well. Dispatch calls back to decide to send the officer routine or 10-18. But expect a visit.

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    Yup

    Quote Originally Posted by kazzaerexys View Post
    It sounds like you can get faster 911 response by calling and hanging up than by talking to them!
    Yup, shame isn't it.

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    New housekeeper calls cab company 931-1111. Misdials 9111111. She redials correctly and leaves front door open to hear the cab honk. Next thing 2 police cars pull up into driveway and walk into the house to check out everything. Scaried the heck out of the housekeeper.She could not remember our last name. Police believed the story and waited with her until the cab pulled up and she locked up the house and left. The officers stopped back towards the end of shift to inform us of what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalexplr View Post
    Imagine the public outcry should the responding LEO's just walked away because the person told them, through the door, that everything was OK, only to find out later that the family had been held hostage, the wife raped and the husband shot to death.
    I received a call the other night from the police saying that they had just received a 911 call and hang up from our number, "Is there a problem?"

    I said no one called and they said thanks. There was never a physical visit!

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    You don't want the cops coming in without a warrant... buy yourself a rotary dial phone!

    Seriously, they have to investigate all 911 hang-ups and all other 911 calls.
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    911 is serious sh-tuff. It's definitely "reasonable cause" for a forced entry to get in there and see what's happening, and very few people will criticize the police for it, regardless of their normal attitude.

    Note: I have not yet heard of police using a claim of a 911 call to get access to a house without a warrant. Claims to be a meter reader, health inspector, FedEx and UPS delivery men, etc, yes.

    Some idiot is going to decide to start using "911 call" to get inside, and that's going to be a long term problem across the entire US.

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    Except there is no "reasonable cause", its probable cause and reasonable suspicion. There is a very clear and large difference between the two.

    Not to be a nitpicker, but it is an important difference.
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    Quote:
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    The fourth amendment protects against warrant-less searches. The rest is up to you. Be tactful and avoid confrontation.

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    Thats nice and all, But it's been ruled over and over that this type of scenario is not a "search". You called 911, therefore LEO's have the responsibility to investigate.

    Could you imagine the fallout if they did not look into things, and there was ten dead bodies stacked in the living room?
    agreed Sixto, I was about to reply with almost the same thing

    the 4th Amendment protects against unreasonable searches and seizures, an officer investigating a 911 hangup could make legal entry into a house where nobody is answering or if someone is less than cooperative, the officer has to make sure that nobody is injured, a victim of crime (burglary, domestic violence come to mind), and these fall under exigent circumstances which is reasonable
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    Sixto, there's a difference between a court of law and a court of public opinion.

    You can win all the battles and lose the war by forgetting that.

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    Every PSAP I am aware of has a policy to call back on 9-1-1 disconnects. If the line is busy we have the call interrupted. If we get no answer or don't like the answers we get, officers are dispatched.
    Arguing probable cause etc. at the front door is going to be a losing proposition. If the officer wants in, he is going in. He finds a domestic violence victim etc. good for him. He finds no victim but a couple of kilos of drugs, you can argue 4th ammend at a pretrial motions hearing. If you are very very lucky, the judge will side with you and the case will get tossed.
    About ten years ago we had almost an entire family wiped out by an employee of their home improvement contractor. We had officers respond a couple of times for 9-1-1 disconnects. They peeped in the windows and saw no evidence of foul play so the calls were cleared. We ended up responding back out to the house and arresting the guy on the scene, and then counting the bodies. Four dead. Each killed as they walk into the house.
    The community was of course outraged that the first officers on the scene didn't take the door and search the house. But then again, how many of these folks want to pay a $300 repair bill for each time the officers come out?
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    FYI - 119 or 191 < all will work the same as 911
    even 19 and 91 will call for help on most if not all 911 land line systems.

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    Some years ago either I or a son of ours accidentally called 911, and hung up. If it was me, I didn't even realized I had called.

    Police showed up at our door some minutes later, and my husband let them in. I was in the bedroom. The kids were already out in the hallway. The police wanted to see the wife of the house, and wouldn't leave until they did. I didn't really want to see them - having had a bad day (and marriage), but at the same time I appreciated that they were making sure I and the kids were all right, before they left.

    And yes, I apologized for the false alarm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillep Harding View Post
    Sixto, there's a difference between a court of law and a court of public opinion.

    You can win all the battles and lose the war by forgetting that.
    I think he was pointing out that there is not a term calld "reasonable cause", there is reasonable suspicion used to assist in building probable cause, both of which are irrelevant if there are exigent circumstances, which there could be on a 911 disconnect/hangup depending on the situation; no reasonable suspicion or probable cause needed
    yes its technical in the terms, but so are the US Supreme court cases detailing reasonable suspicion, probable cause, and exigent circumstances
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    Quote Originally Posted by 64zebra View Post
    I think he was pointing out that there is not a term calld "reasonable cause",
    I know, but the "Court of Public Opinion" is not near as fussy about that sort of thing.

    It also tends to send judgments to politicians up for re-election, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillep Harding View Post
    Sixto, there's a difference between a court of law and a court of public opinion.

    You can win all the battles and lose the war by forgetting that.
    You're preaching to the choir on that one.
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