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    ATF Loses 76 guns

    Audit: ATF lost 76 weapons, hundreds of laptops - Yahoo! News


    Click the bottom for the full PDF from USDOJ.

    OOOOO THE IRONY!!!!

    Can we pull their FFL NOW PLEASE!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob99VMI04 View Post
    Can we pull their FFL NOW PLEASE!!!
    That's what I'm talking about! What what happen to your local FFL if his inventory and his paperwork had a 76 gun discrepancy? He'd never see daylight again.
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    I think some people need to be fired,especially any agents that failed to report their stolen weapons
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    Thirty-five of the missing handguns, rifles, Tasers and other weapons were stolen, as were 50 laptops, the internal audit found. Two of the stolen weapons were used in crimes.
    Now how could that happen? ATF has some criminals working there? Or else security is lacking. Either way, it doesn't sound good.

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    what more can we expect from government.

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    lol

    yea lets see one of use be that sloopy an u would be screwed
    how un fair and the guns are probly in the safes of the agents ,,no wonder they do not pay for guns and ammo ,,we pay for it and they still have jobs ,,,what a joke
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    Quote Originally Posted by unleashed View Post
    yea lets see one of use be that sloopy an u would be
    how un fair and the guns are probly in the safes of the agents ,,no wonder they do not pay for guns and ammo ,,we pay for it and they still have jobs ,,,what a joke
    Well, with all due respect, you are being that sloppy in your spelling and grammar right now. Not everyone is perfect, all the time, right?

    Secondly, since when do ATF agents not have to pay for guns and ammo? Certainly, they are issued duty weapons and ammo, as are almost all law enforcement officers - would you prefer it otherwise?

    Also - and please bear in mind that I am not excusing any malfeasance going on here - the military loses VASTLY more weapons and ammunition every year, but we don't hear everyone screaming about how bad/evil/corrupt/incompetent the military is... Because this is a group that most gun owners don't like, they (we) are oh-so-quick to jump on the bashing bandwagon.

    Find out what happened, make those that were negligent or grossly incompetent pay. To paint then entire government with the single brush of this one report is just silly.

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    so not only did they lose them but some were used in crimes so proof of it not just being a paperwork misplacement.
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    Did the ATF just put assault weapons on the streets?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    Well, with all due respect, you are being that sloppy in your spelling and grammar right now. Not everyone is perfect, all the time, right?

    Secondly, since when do ATF agents not have to pay for guns and ammo? Certainly, they are issued duty weapons and ammo, as are almost all law enforcement officers - would you prefer it otherwise?

    Also - and please bear in mind that I am not excusing any malfeasance going on here - the military loses VASTLY more weapons and ammunition every year, but we don't hear everyone screaming about how bad/evil/corrupt/incompetent the military is... Because this is a group that most gun owners don't like, they (we) are oh-so-quick to jump on the bashing bandwagon.

    Find out what happened, make those that were negligent or grossly incompetent pay. To paint then entire government with the single brush of this one report is just silly.

    Glass houses, ladies and gentlemen. Lest you start thinking that you've never made a mistake.

    Granted I agree people make mistakes. But the military is fighting for our freedom not trying to prove their agencies existance through unreasonable audits, raids, and even that matter cruel and unuasual punishment for manufactor defects, ooo and and shut down gun stores, and manufactures.
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    I'm no fan of the "F" part of the BATFE, believe me...but slamming them for what is a common occurance (other agencies lose what they have a lot of, just as other private businesses and individuals do, as well) just smacks of "nanny-nanny-boo-boo" to me. If we're going to beat them up over this, we must also be willing to beat up everyone else who has made mistakes.

    Now, if we just want to beat up the BATFE because they partially exist to enforce what most of us believe to be un-Constitutional laws, then by all means let's have at it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    I'm no fan of the "F" part of the BATFE, believe me...but slamming them for what is a common occurance (other agencies lose what they have a lot of, just as other private businesses and individuals do, as well) just smacks of "nanny-nanny-boo-boo" to me. If we're going to beat them up over this, we must also be willing to beat up everyone else who has made mistakes.

    Now, if we just want to beat up the BATFE because they partially exist to enforce what most of us believe to be un-Constitutional laws, then by all means let's have at it!
    I just find it Hypocritical.........and when one is proven to be a hypocrite in my book ALL crediblility is lost......Part of the problem or part of the solution!
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    Yeah, but part of the problem is, if this was an FFL who lost 76 guns, he/she would be in jail never to see the light of day again...be branded an "illegal gun dealer"--or some other nonsense by the media. The ATF level of culpability is less than an FFL--and the punishment is administrative for this oversight, versus a revocation of FFL, loss of livelihood, and criminal charges.

    Any criticism of the BATFE has been earned in spades.
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    In Connecticut, a lost or stolen weapon that goes unreported is a crime with penalties. I pity the the service person that loses his issue weapon... maybe a court martial offense, brig time, or loss of pay among other things.

    The ATF deserves the criticism it is getting for losing those weapons. If they hold us citizens to such high standards and penalizes us for any infractions, then they should be held to the same standards and penalize as such.
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