Pilots' holsters prone to AD?

Pilots' holsters prone to AD?

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    Pilots' holsters prone to AD?

    Report: Pilots' holsters make guns vulnerable to accidental discharge - CNN.com

    Anyone know the bran of holster they are issued? Sounds like a level 3 or 4 type.


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    It's no level 3. It's this weird deal with a hole that so you can put a [Edited] pad lock through the trigger guard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herknav View Post
    The TSA issued them a DAO with an LEM AND one of those stupid trigger guard locks?? Are you kidding me? Okay, it's official. I've only said it before because I've been irritated at waiting in an airport security line, but the TSA really IS retarded

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    Here's a video that shows the problem with the holster.

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    Sounds to me like they holster the gun but not all the way in. They then put the lock in the trigger guard, but because the gun isn't all the way in the lock is in FRONT of the trigger. Later they push the gun in all the way and Ka-blam. This would only happen if the safety is off, or the gun has no safety.

    I see pilots going through airport security all the time. I wonder if they have a way of declaring their weapon without upsetting the TSA. I never see a pilot detained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guns and more View Post
    Sounds to me like they holster the gun but not all the way in. They then put the lock in the trigger guard, but because the gun isn't all the way in the lock is in FRONT of the trigger. Later they push the gun in all the way and Ka-blam. This would only happen if the safety is off, or the gun has no safety.

    I see pilots going through airport security all the time. I wonder if they have a way of declaring their weapon without upsetting the TSA. I never see a pilot detained.
    HK LEM conversion has NO safety which is why the trigger guard thing is so asinine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guns and more View Post
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    I see pilots going through airport security all the time. I wonder if they have a way of declaring their weapon without upsetting the TSA. I never see a pilot detained.
    According to a pilot friend of mine, pilots who carry weapons (FFDO?) go through a separate process that is out of sight of the regular security line. That's why you and I never see a pilot checking a weapon through TSA.

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    That holster was made at the request of a federal LE agency. It carried over to the air.
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    The holster is a DeSantis F.D.O. model.

    F.D.O. w/ Lock Hole

    We discussed this topic at length in this thread:


    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...ged-x-3-a.html


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    Now I'm sure I would never fly

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    IIRC, the concept of incorporating the ability to padlock the pistol into the holster is the USSS's. (They asked for a hole to be stamped through their issue pancake holsters in the appropriate place to run a padlock behind the trigger, thus securing the weapon from anyone without the time, inclination, and abilty to cut it off.) Their intent was to afford their personnel a convenient way of securing their weapons from unauthorized people, in particular their kids and their friends, when other means where not available.

    The TSA's current issue holster for FFDOs is a spin off design, essentially the same design. The intent was to afford their personnel a convenient way of securing their weapons from unauthorized people upon leaving their area of control, i.e. the flight deck. Note: the program initially afforded lock boxes to accomplish this purpose; lock boxes many FDDOs objected to. The holster in question was the compromise.

    As for the pilot in question, had he followed the policies and procedures, his unintentional discharge would not have occurred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cvhoss View Post
    Here's a video that shows the problem with the holster.

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    That doesn't look safe at all!

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