LEOSA qualification for non-LEO?

LEOSA qualification for non-LEO?

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    LEOSA qualification for non-LEO?

    Not sure if this is the proper area for this but,

    I'm going to be applying for the NJ CCW(yes, I know impossible for a non-LEO), but wanted to know if it's possible to qualify with documentation like what retired-LEOs under LEOSA require to keep their licenses valid?
    I'm trying to get everything possible to help my case(CCWs from several states,exc.) outside of getting mugged or actually changing careers.
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    Unless you meet the very specific requirements of LEOSA, I'm at a loss to understand what you could possibly do? You just can't create those quals. Am I missing something?

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    I'm looking for proof of training that would be the same as required for retired officers. It would help blunt their contention that retired LEOs don't have to have a need to carry because of their training qualifications.
    "The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree..."
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    I'm not sure what your getting at either, but retiree's at my department still have to qualify the same as current officers (including all legal updates) if they want to carry as an LEO.
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    He's asking if it possible for a civilian to go through the required course that LEOS/Retired LESO need to qualify for LEOSA in order to make himself look better on paper for his NJ application...

    Not being a LEO, and not being from NJ, and not knowing jack about either process, I'm still inclined to say "Not a snow ball's chance in hell"

    Unless you've got some serious friends inside a department there's little to no chance that they'll even let you on the range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JD View Post
    He's asking if it possible for a civilian (non law enforcement) to go through the required course that LEOs/Retired LEOsneed to qualify for LEOSA in order to make himself look better on paper for his NJ application...

    Not being a LEO, and not being from NJ, and not knowing jack about either process, I'm still inclined to say "Not a snow ball's chance in hell"

    Unless you've got some serious friends inside a department there's little to no chance that they'll even let you on the range.
    If thats the case, good luck. More than the actual training, its a money issue. If you're carrying under LEOSA, your under a departments financial umbrella too.

    I doubt your going to be able to attend an LEO firearms course as a regular Joe, and they probably only accept the states course.
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    I think your best bet, for what it is worth, would be to contact a security consultant that certifies armed security guards. Even better would be one that is licensed in New Jersey.
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    In Montana you can attend POST (Peace Officer Standard Training) training without being a hired a Police officer. You can complete the training and be certified in POST. Once you are certified you make a better candidate for hiring than the next guy since the agency does not have the expense to train you. The class is 12 weeks and a cost of $5,000.

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    New Jersey is much like Illinois...it's more likely, "Pay to play."
    So, who do you know?
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    In Montana you can attend POST (Peace Officer Standard Training) training without being a hired a Police officer. You can complete the training and be certified in POST. Once you are certified you make a better candidate for hiring than the next guy since the agency does not have the expense to train you. The class is 12 weeks and a cost of $5,000.
    You cant even pay your own way here. To take a class, you have to have an agency sponsor you. They pay for the training.

    I think your best bet, for what it is worth, would be to contact a security consultant that certifies armed security guards. Even better would be one that is licensed in New Jersey.
    Even an armed security guard wont qualify. You have to be a certified, sworn officer.


    As far as I know, you have to complete training, be hired by an agency, be sworn, qualify with a gun and have the appropriate.ID. You have to become a Cop. That is the only way to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HITCH KING View Post
    In Montana you can attend POST (Peace Officer Standard Training) training without being a hired a Police officer. You can complete the training and be certified in POST. Once you are certified you make a better candidate for hiring than the next guy since the agency does not have the expense to train you. The class is 12 weeks and a cost of $5,000.
    +1 on NJ. They allow what are called alternate route recruits, people who haven't been hired as a LEO yet. I'm not sure of the cost, but they go through the entire academy as if they had been hired, which is 20 to 24 weeks long.

    I think it would be like retsup said, who do you know? And just what area of NJ are we talking about? That could be a big part of it also. Even though GGs in Camden, Newark, etc, need CCW, they are less likely IMO to get them than someone who probably has less of a chance of every needing CCW in the less urban areas of the state. YMMV.
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    He's asking if it possible for a civilian to go through the required course that LEOS/Retired LESO need to qualify for LEOSA in order to make himself look better on paper for his NJ application...

    That's what I'm looking for. I did find someone who does the qualification for NJ retired police and also does the NRA-type classes as well. It's like 50 or 60 bucks for a few hours consisting of rules of force for civilians, along with range scores.
    I'm waiting to hear back if I can just pay the fee, take the course and get documentation.
    The NJ gov't already told me the NRA basic pistol was enough proof of training for the non-LEO CCW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by press1280 View Post
    I'm looking for proof of training that would be the same as required for retired officers. It would help blunt their contention that retired LEOs don't have to have a need to carry because of their training qualifications.
    Unfortunately for you, the ONE "proof of training" required of retired officers which you CANNOT produce as a "civilian" seeking CCW justification is the FIFTEEN (15) years law enforcement experience! I suggest you take another approach on your application.

    You could determine the course of fire as is being administered to law enforcement retirees and document that you fired that under similar conditions, but I believe that, too, would do very little to persuade the permit issuing authorities.

    Sorry!

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    In Montana you can attend POST (Peace Officer Standard Training) training without being a hired a Police officer. You can complete the training and be certified in POST. Once you are certified you make a better candidate for hiring than the next guy since the agency does not have the expense to train you. The class is 12 weeks and a cost of $5,000.

    [QUOTE=HotGuns;954218]You cant even pay your own way here. To take a class, you have to have an agency sponsor you. They pay for the training. [QUOTE]

    I am 100 percent sure that in Montana you can take the POST class before being hired. If your agency sends you it costs only $1500.00 .

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    You got to pay 1500 bucks for training out of your own pocket so you can be hired?

    HOLY COW. That is crazy.
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