It's happened before? WHEN & WHERE?
When has it happened in this country -- barring the American Revolution?
Originally Posted by Miggy
Please don't point to Nazi Germany or any other tyranny. America is unique in all of history. No other nation in history has a document that restrained government to the point that our Constitution does. Does that make us an aberration? An exception to the rule? Damn skippy it does! I say again, you say it's happened before? Tell us when and where ..... in THIS country. Please also, do not raise the 20,000 + gun laws already on the books. Those have weakened the 2nd Amendment, but they have not turned this nation into a tyranny.
IIRC, the closest we've ever come to what you are suggesting was the L.A. riots and even that wasn't universal. Witness all those Korean business owners stalking the rooftops with their AR-15's and AK-47's. They weren't touched. That situation did not last, either. Why not? Federal intervention, or the threat of it. Same thing with the recent unpleasantness in New Orleans.
Miggy, this sounds like a movie script. In fact it IS the plot of countless movies and books. But it's not reality. You saying it's going to happen does not necessarily make it so.
The Key is Political INVOLVEMENT
I never suggested civilians run away from anything...leave the neighborhood, etc. THAT came from another poster. It sure sounded to me (and a few others) that you espoused unilateral action without the involvement of government! I merely state that in the larger picture on a national scale, the military should control all our borders and the foreign gangs on our soil (be they from El Salvadore, Japan or Vietnam) be declared a threat to national security and be dealt with accordingly.
Originally Posted by Miggy
As I said before it is very much up to us to keep the government "in line" with the Bill of Rights so that the draconian legislation you mention does not come to pass. BUT.... that requires involvement in politics at all levels.
Considering that only a tiny portion of the electorate cares enough to actually get involved and those usually represent the extreme wings of each party then those are the ones who get to "suggest" policy. I freely admit to being from the FAR (vast?) right wing of the Republican party. I get involved in all levels of government as far as campaigns go. I work the phones, walk neighborhoods to knock on doors and I work the polls.
I campaigned for a Republican on the school board here (she won), I volunteered for Jeb (he won -- twice) and I volunteered for GWB (he won -- twice, too). I volunteered for Illeana Ros Lehtinen since she is my Rep and deserves my support.
The bottom line is, as far as I'm concerned: If you care enough to get involved, then you have a perfect right to complain about government actions or lack thereof. But if you don't even care enough to exercise the most minimum level of involvement, that is to VOTE....well you get the government you deserve. By electing pro self defense, pro gun candidates you can affect the process. That's what I call standing up for my rights. I've done so all my life and I will to the day I check out.
OTOH, I don't need to go eyeball to eyeball with MS13 to effect change. If I'm attacked directly that is of course a different situation and we've covered that. I would avoid to the best of my ability any gang involvement. That's a little bit more difficult for me as MS13 operates freely about six blocks from where I teach. Although I probably don't have any actual members in my classes, I do have many that are "affiliated" or know them at one level or another. I can't be armed at work, nor can I have a firearm in my car on school property.