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    Needs replies from other LEO or labor specialists

    In all their wisdom, the new admin of my department has decided to force the patrol officers to take riders for ride alongs during their shift.
    Nobody wants this, I feel that it is dangerous for both the rider and officer to have a unknown person off the street to look after while performing patrol duties.
    Typically, riders in the past have been known people in our community and I'm OK with that. Now, they want a policy if somebody shows up and wants to ride, you take them.

    Has anybody fought this battle before?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    In all their wisdom, the new admin of my department has decided to force the patrol officers to take riders for ride alongs during their shift. . . . Typically, riders in the past have been known people in our community and I'm OK with that. Now, they want a policy if somebody shows up and wants to ride, you take them. . . . . Has anybody fought this battle before?
    Your forseen concerns seem much like taking civilian journalists on combat missions -- which reminds me of the Geraldo delimma.

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    I have, Just try to explain the liabilities of such
    stupid endeavors, and what benefit vs bad out come could be.

    I said I would agree only if the rider had a Criminal B/G check and
    sign a liability waver, Male only w/ male officers, female riders w/ female officers.

    Chief finally axed that idea, thank God!

    Good luck, I wish you the best.
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    Spoke to my brother down in Florida. He said that in his dept they do background checks on any one that wants a ride along, they also have to have a reason to do a ride along i.e. thinking about joining the force, college criminal degree...

    He said that if they where to force him to just take anyone he would;

    1. Do a pat down to ensure no weapons.
    2. Run him/her through data base to ensure no hokie background.
    3. Advise supervisor of his concerns.

    I will PM you a web address he also sent me to give to you. It's a forum for LEO's to voice concerns and get feedback from other agencies.

    Hope this helps you.
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    OK, thanks. I'm a new union rep., so I'm trying to make sure I have a leg to stand on before I start fighting the battle.
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    Doesn't seem very smart to me. If the officer doesn't want to do it but is forced to, its not going to be very comfortable for the rider.

    The idea in itself isn't bad, but it needs to be on a volunteer basis only. I think that if you push for that,you might have a better chance of success than trying to eliminate the whole program. As the union rep, what does the Union say about it? Do they have a policy or guidelines for it?

    I personally don't have a problem with ridealongs, but some people do. For the people that do, it could be a serious distraction,and therefore unsafe. Use the "officer safety" issue on them and see if they dont back up a bit. If your Union does have a policy on it, you can use that to your advantage too. Another thing, take a poll. If it shows overwhelming dissatisfaction with the idea, show it to them, its in black and white and its a record.
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    When I was in the hiring process I went on some rides. Even then I had to pass the full background first. Some of the Departments I applied at wouldn't allow you to go on a ride along even if you'd been offered.
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    HotGuns, the officer safety angle is the one I was thinking of using. We do have a ride along policy, and it does state that it is at the discression of the supervisor or shift OIC. I'm always the OIC for my shift, and I've been told I'm not to turn away riders.

    To make matters worse, we have become known to take riders at the local community colleges C.J. students, so we always have a flood of them trying to get all their required hours in at the last minute. Why they wanted to take this burden on, I dont know. The CJ program isnt exactly known to turn out top quality applicants.

    Again, I see the value of a ride along program. That is how I got my foot in the door, but I have a huge problem with it being forced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    In all their wisdom, the new admin of my department has decided to force the patrol officers to take riders for ride alongs during their shift.
    Now, they want a policy if somebody shows up and wants to ride, you take them.
    So, where shall I meet you for my ride along?

    (Sorry, just couldn't resist that one. I do agree, not the thing to be doing with out some kind of background on the rider.)
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    Funny thing is, I do take riders from time to time. I've even taken a member here before. The difference is, that it was my discretion and I was comfortable with doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    Funny thing is, I do take riders from time to time. I've even taken a member here before. The difference is, that it was my discretion and I was comfortable with doing so.
    I think this is where there's going to be an issue. The departments in my area have a no-ride policy outside the hiring process because they don't want to be sued for discrimination or some other B.S. A couple departments have a no ride-along policy.
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    Sixto,

    As the new Union rep,you are going to have to use the "stick" on Management once in awhile...its just a fact of life. I think with some communication and some facts to back you up, you can be successful.

    For one, nowhere in the dept. policy does it say that you HAVE to take riders does it? If it does not, technically it is not in your job description. I understand taking "official" riders such as juvenile officers, parole officers and that sort but that is different and that may be outlined in policy.

    Its up to you to make management understand the error of their ways. The first thing you need to make sure of is the fact that you have as many people backing you as possible. If nothing else, get a consensus of what everyones feelings on the subject are, so you don't hang yourself out to dry. Like I said earlier, a short poll on the subject will tell you this. Just hand them a sheet of paper that outlines the proposal and have a couple of check-boxes that say "yes" or "no" or "opposed" or "unopposed". You don't need names or anything just something that can be done quickly. If nothing else, a voice vote taken at shift change. Discuss it with the membership.

    Sometimes you'll get lucky and when management gets wind of it, they'll realize it wasn't such a great idea and backoff. Other times you'll get a jerk that takes it personal that no one like his idea and he goes on a vendetta to make life miserable for everyone.

    I don't know your situation, so its hard to say. The first step is to get a consensus, one way of the other. The second step is to communicate with the top. You can say, hey, I've talked to everyone and we don't think this is a good idea because it can compromise officer safety because it is a distraction and we don't want anyone getting hurt.

    As always,use the force continuum here. Start nice and easy and let them set the tone. Use your superior communication skills, I know you've got them.
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    Well, I'm not a LEO or labor manager, but that doesn't seem like a very good idea to me, seems like it could be a bit of a risk to the officer, and give them a bigger headache. It also would add a factor of unpredictability, good luck with all that.
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    That is excellent advice HotGuns.
    I just sent out an email to out to patrol to get the pulse of what others think. I'm sure my phone will be ringing soon.
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    BTDT.
    Been dealing with such for years.
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