Another "shot in the back" thread

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    Another "shot in the back" thread

    Here is an interesting video of a police shooting. Whadda you think?

    I say its a great example for watching everything.
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    If police ...

    I also didn't see the start of the situation, so I don't know if this guy is a criminal, or if those two are officers, or what the man's offenses were, so assuming this video is what it purports to be ...

    Apparently, the man with the rifle didn't interpret "Put the gun down!" to mean he should have put both his guns down (the rifle and the pistol). It didn't seem as though he was given much time to comply, but then he could have brought the pistol to bear in an instant. Seems appropriate.

    This video makes one thing patently clear: perspective is everything. The view from the camera lens is one thing, but the view from the vantage point of the man at the corner of the building is taking in the full threat from the moment the pistol is drawn.
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    Wow. He's lucky he had backup there.
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    I take it this was some sort of training...?
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    nope, real deal.
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    Wow, it took me a second but i did notice the gun in his hand later. Wow that is just completly mind boggling. Sixto great post. I am working on a commission right now and things like this are just intense in my mind right now. Thanks for the wake up.
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    The officers just seem to walk rather casually up to the guy, one even reholstering his weapon, when the suspect still has the gun in his hand. I'm not an officer, but it just seemed a little unsafe.

    But back to the point of the thread... shot in the back or not it is surely a justified shoot.
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    I think I'm gladder than hell I'm not a LEO. Having been in a combat zone and under fire, I can attest to the fact that once the adrenalin hits, you act based upon your training. If you wait to react, you might wind up dead. Your focus narrows, and you don't have time to mull over several alternatives before you act. Hindsight is always 20/20 and Monday morning quarterbacks are never wrong.

    There's not enough information to determine if the shoot was good or not. Period.
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    Yes, they are police.

    As for the safety aspect of the thread, there are other cover officers outside of view of the camera. Yeah, they let their guard down a little quick, but like already noted, thats not what the thread is about.

    Watching everything and things are not what the always appear is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divebum47 View Post

    There's not enough information to determine if the shoot was good or not. Period.
    Theres not? Did you not watch the video, or do you have a really small moniter?
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    I took me two times to watch this. I have a 22" wide screen monitor. Even after I used the full screen option, screen was fuzzy, but I finally saw the pistol. Good thing there was an LEO in behind the BG.

    I'd say it was a clear shoot.
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    Note to self: If ever holding a rifle and being ordered by officers to "Put the gun down" do not attempt to draw pistol while complying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divebum47 View Post
    I think I'm gladder than hell I'm not a LEO. Having been in a combat zone and under fire, I can attest to the fact that once the adrenalin hits, you act based upon your training. If you wait to react, you might wind up dead. Your focus narrows, and you don't have time to mull over several alternatives before you act. Hindsight is always 20/20 and Monday morning quarterbacks are never wrong.

    There's not enough information to determine if the shoot was good or not. Period.
    ..........................Divebum47, I didn't see the BG go for his handgun till I watched the vidio twice. It was a good shoot.

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    Theres not? Did you not watch the video, or do you have a really small moniter?
    I watched several times, and at full screen. I heard one of the officers yell, "gun". I did not see the perp point the gun, nor could I determine from the video whether or not the perp was trying to aim the pistol or pulling it from his belt in order to lay it down on the ground.

    If I were on a board of inquiry, and had only the video upon which to base my opinion, I would not be able to come to a valid conclusion. For example, I would not know if the perp was involved in a shoot, a robbery, or why he was being chased.

    It was not evident that there were other undercover officers out of the the range of the camera until you said there were.

    Based solely on the video, still hold that there is not enough information to determine a good or bad shoot. At least not for me. Period. But then I'm not a cop, never have been, don't want to be. My only "experience" was in a free fire zone in the early 70's, and I didn't have to justify my actions to a civilian review board or to IAD.

    If it were entirely up to me, and there were room for error, I would err on the side of the cops. But in reality, that doesn't necessarily represent a majority of those who would sit in judgment. I'm not good at Monday morning quarterbacking. You asked,
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    Backwards

    ...........The BG was shot in the back 3 times, justified, then why did he fall backwards ?????????????????????????///

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