Off-duty Carry

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  • Prohibit off-duty carry

    2 2.90%
  • Discourage off-duty carry

    5 7.25%
  • Require off-duty carry

    10 14.49%
  • Encourage off-duty carry

    40 57.97%
  • If require or encourage off-duty carry, require OC

    1 1.45%
  • If require or encourage off-duty carry, require CC

    15 21.74%
  • If require or encourage off-duty carry, require carrying restraints and or other items

    3 4.35%
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    Off-duty Carry

    A poll for LEOs or those who are very sure of the local practice.

    Background:

    The Chief of one of our local PDs was recently replaced.

    The new Chief has made major changes in off-duty carry.

    What is your department's policy?
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    Highly encourage, no restraints.
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    I can't imagine any PD not encouraging off duty carry.
    I've known the Cheif since we went to high school together and Mike is the kind of guy who really cares about the officers on the force and wants to see them alive, everyday.
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    My dept. doesn't require or encourage off-duty carry, but there is no requirement to carry restraints, pepper spray, baton, etc, if you do carry off-duty. My dept leaves it up to the individual officer to decide.
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    My department encourages but does not require off-duty carry. We are required to carry concealed if we carry.

    I live in my jurisdiction and spend most of my time here, so I carry handcuffs off-duty as well, but that is not required.
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    Encourage, but only duty gun authorized while off-duty; irrespective whether one has a personally acquired CWP. Cell and creds required; restraints are not.
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    Encourage, but we unofficially endorse Glock carry. Weapons must be inspected yearly. If it's a Glock the agency inspects. If not it is the responsibility of the Officer to find a gunsmith/armorer who will certify it.
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    highly encourages carry
    only high quality mfg allowed, must be approved by range master, must qual with off-duty weapon, purchase high quality defense ammo
    no other restricitons or requirements
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    Our rules are after 2 years and you successfully pass probation you are allowed to purchase 1 off duty firearm on your credentials. Anymore after that have to be put on a pistol license. Now you are allowed and caliber from 38 special to 50cal then there is a chart with the minimum grain allowed to be carried for each caliber.
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    Strongly encouraged to carry off duty, encouraged to carry handcuffs and an extra mag if using an automatic.
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    Can't say either way. Its not really discussed much. Our policy states that we can, the weapon must be chambered in .380 or larger and much be inspected and approved by the armorer.
    Since that guy is a handsome, smart, and all knowing fellow, I can carry pretty much whatever I want within reason. That great guy of an armorer we have will not approve the junk guns, only high quality fighting pistols need apply. He cares about his coworkers to much to allow them to carry extreme junk or Brazilian poo.
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    Strongly encouraged, no limitations
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    Quote Originally Posted by srfl View Post
    Encourage, but only duty gun authorized while off-duty; irrespective whether one has a personally acquired CWP. Cell and creds required; restraints are not.
    That is kind of a strange policy. Are you allowed backup guns on-duty, and if so, does the department provide them or are they officer owned?

    Since I couldn't edit my post, I'll add this about my department:

    Off-duty weapons have to be approved by a firearms instructor and qualified with on the same course of fire as the duty weapon. Policy doesn't require specific brands, but does say that off-duty weapons "must be of reliable function and design" and "must of a type and design suitable for law enforcement use".

    My off-duty weapons are:

    Glock 36 .45ACP
    HK P7 9x19mm
    S&W 37-2 Airweight .38 Special

    I didn't have any problem getting approval for any of them, or approval to carry the Airweight as a backup on-duty.

    We also have a list of acceptable chamberings and minimum bullet weights for each. The list covers pretty much everything from .380ACP to .45 Colt, and includes all the standards (.380ACP, .38 Special, .357 Magnum, 9x19mm, 357 SIG, .40S&W, .45ACP) and some rather unusual ones like .38 Super, 10mm Automatic, .41 Magnum, .44 Special, .44 Magnum, and .45 Colt. The only even remotely common chambering we don't have listed is the .45GAP, and I suspect that if an officer had one and wanted to qualify with it, they would approve it using the same bullet weight standards as the .45ACP.

    I went with 124 grain +P Gold Dot in 9x19, 135 gain +P Gold Dot in .38 Special, and 230 grain Ranger-T in .45ACP and all were approved.

    The policy does say that all ammunition has to be factory and approved designs are JHP, FMJ, RNL, or LHP/LSWCHP.

    All in all its a pretty open policy and clearly written by our lead firearms guy, who is just as much of a gun nut as I am.
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    The words of the County Chief of where I'm moving:

    I have deputies that go armed to neighboring cities for shopping And that is totally uncalled for in my opinion.
    I only carry a firearm when I am in uniform, less than 5 times per year,I have a .38 cal under the seat of vehicle, but should be carrying my glock, And in plain clothes I do NOT carry a weapon

    Yeah, you can only guess how he feels about non LEOs carrying.

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