Iowa National Guard to practice house to house gun searches!! (MERGED)

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    National Guard scraps plans to invade rural town

    National Guard scraps plans to invade rural town

    By Drew Zahn
    2009 WorldNetDaily

    DES MOINES, Iowa Following publicized reports that the Army National Guard was planning a military training exercise on the streets of a rural Iowa town, the commanding officers have called off the mock "invasion."

    The Guard had planned a four-day urban military operation in tiny Arcadia, Iowa, population 443, sending troops to take over the town and search door-to-door for a suspected weapons dealer.

    The exercise was designed as a mock scenario to give soldiers the skills needed for deployment in an urban environment, and military officials stressed that only households that consented to be part of the drill would be searched.

    "It will be important for us to gain the trust and confidence of the residents of Arcadia," Sgt. Mike Kots, readiness NCO for Alpha Company, told Carroll's Daily Times Herald. "We will need to identify individuals that are willing to assist us in training by allowing us to search their homes and vehicles and to participate in role-playing.

    "We really want to get as much information out there as possible," Kots continued, "because this operation could be pretty intrusive to the people of Arcadia."

    Military spokesman Lt. Col. Greg Hapgood, however, told WND that the operation has now been "scaled back" and no longer involves an "invasion" of Arcadia.

    And while Hapgood confirmed the Guard had been inundated with objections from citizens concerned about soldiers patrolling the streets of an American town, he said most came from people out of state and unfamiliar with the operation. Iowans, he explained, typically cooperate with the Guard. The change in plans was based on troop evaluation, he said, not public outcry.

    "Higher headquarters leadership," Hapgood told WND, "given the unit's status of training proficiency, made a decision to scale back the exercise."

    Kots described the original operation to the Herald as set to begin on Thursday, April 2, with reconnaissance and exploratory patrols. On April 4 convoys were to be deployed from the armory in Carroll to nearby Arcadia, where soldiers would knock on doors, showing a picture of the invented "arms dealer."

    "Once credible intelligence has been gathered," said Kots, "portions of the town will be road-blocked and more in-depth searches of homes and vehicles will be conducted in accordance with the residents' wishes.

    "One of the techniques we use in today's political environment is cordon and knock," Kots explained. "We ask for the head of the household, get permission to search, then have them open doors and cupboards. The homeowner maintains control. We peer over their shoulder, and the soldier uses the homeowner's body language and position to protect him."

    The planned drill had also included overhead supervision from a Blackhawk helicopter, crowd-control measures and simulated extraction of "injured" people, culminating in capture of the "arms dealer."

    "This exercise will improve the real-life operational skills of the unit," said Kots. "And it will hopefully improve the public's understanding of military operations."

    "There are no active duty bases in Iowa, so there are no urban warfare training areas of any size," Hopgood said. "In order to get that larger neighborhood feel or city feel, we have to be creative and partner with our communities."

    Hopgood further told WND that in past cooperative exercises with the community, the people of Iowa have welcomed learning how their sons and daughters operate in action.

    Plans for the urban operation training, Hopgood explained, are still set to continue, but will be conducted in a smaller, platoon-by-platoon basis in the near vicinity of the Carroll armory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    ...Lucky nobody got shot my some Redneck Special Forces!
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    I know it was supposed to be serious, but that's funny right there.
    And that would be why we always give notice we're doing a training exercise.

    But seriously, it's just like OpFor and BuckeyeCPL said, it's training for being downrange.

    When Luke AFB rebuilt most of its on-base housing I know we offered our facilities for training, and I know that an MEU, the local PD's and FD's and the base all used it as a training area.

    It's really nothing new, and nothing to be really afraid of. It' just training for our guys about to go downrange.
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    This needs to be amended to the other thread.

    That's funny.

    I'm also calling BS that it was not because of pubic outcry.
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    If they were searching for a 'terrorist", nothing may have been said. However, when they said "gun dealer" and are in the act of enforcing laws they aren't authorized to enforce, then it brings up several issues.

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    This is not an uncommon thing for the military to do. They have been known to do CAS simulations (close air support, call in air strikes) in various cities and towns around the country. The door-to-door search, would only be with full participation of residents, etc. They wouldn't just barge in unwelcome.

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    The whole thing may be perfectly innocent. The best sinister plans usually are. I still have no doubt that the Founding Fathers would describe it as "odious."

    No, they didn't respond to public outcry, nah, wouldn't happen. Somebody saw Blackhawk and thought it said Blackwater (the knights who say, "Xe"). Thought they'd all be shot on sight.
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    Back in the 1970s when I was in high school that exact thing happened. The 11th Special Forces (airborne), a reserve unit decided to hold an exercise at an abandoned airport, using the old control tower as one of the objectives in the exercise. Nobody alerted the Miami Dade Police Dept., which back then was the county sheriff. So this lone officer shows up to see what these here fellers was doin' at the "off limits, no trespassers" allowed property. When he showed up, the folks performing the exercise ASSUMED (we all know the folly of doing that, right?) he was PART of the exercise and they opened fire, with blank ammo. He returned fire, with LIVE ammo and radioed for backup, lots of backup. The firefight was hot and heavy. The SF guys were tickled with the live fire, thinking it was the BEST training ever and the cops were amazed that they were getting shot at with such heavy weapons (M-60's and such) with nobody being injured or killed. When things were finally settled, there had still been no injuries and the SF guys were still tickled with the action and those cops were mighty red faced! They were the butt of a lot of jokes from the other area departments for a long while. Btw, that old abandoned airport? It's now the site of Florida International University. The old control tower still stands, though. I think it's either the HQ for the campus cops or it's the medical clinic. Can't remember which.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagleks View Post
    If they were searching for a 'terrorist", nothing may have been said. However, when they said "gun dealer" and are in the act of enforcing laws they aren't authorized to enforce, then it brings up several issues.

    They were not looking for real gun dealer it is just training. They were only going in houses that the owners of the house had given permission to and were part of the training to help the troops for over here in iraq and afgan. I will say it again for the ones that can't get it though their head IT IS TRAINING that means it is not real they are not just breaking in to houses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dreyerba View Post
    They were not looking for real gun dealer it is just training. They were only going in houses that the owners of the house had given permission to and were part of the training to help the troops for over here in iraq and afgan. I will say it again for the ones that can't get it though their head IT IS TRAINING that means it is not real they are not just breaking in to houses.
    You are so right it is only training it isn't real (today) but what if it's training for a covert plan to confiscate guns in the future.I do not trust our government anymore
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    Quote Originally Posted by dreyerba View Post
    They were not looking for real gun dealer it is just training. They were only going in houses that the owners of the house had given permission to and were part of the training to help the troops for over here in iraq and afgan. I will say it again for the ones that can't get it though their head IT IS TRAINING that means it is not real they are not just breaking in to houses.
    We all know it was to be a training exercise. Just given the political temperature right now, not many of us are buying into it as being for overseas/out country deployment.

    If they want to train in a town, then they can go to Quantico where the Marines and the FBI have an entire town built complete with main street business center and a complete staff of actors for EXACTLY this type of thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
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