Iowa National Guard to practice house to house gun searches!! (MERGED)

[Patti]

I have to disagree with the statements that we are being paranoid.

We have too many anti-gun kooks in high power, and that includes Hussein Obama.

Hussein's buddies, Bobby Rush and Dunkin, have introduced anti-gun legislation.

I'd like to remind the nay-sayers about what happened in New Orleans post Hurricane Katrina.

YouTube - NRA: The Untold Story of Gun Confiscation After Katrina

Ask these folks in N.O. if they ever got their guns back.

I don't trust our anti-American commies who control our government. That's NOT paranoia.

They will eventually make a gun grab. They will use a crisis or disaster as an excuse to confiscate our guns.

Listen to Hussein's Chief of Staff: Rahm Emmanuel

YouTube - Rahm Emanuel on the Opportunities of Crisis

"A crisis will allow us to do things we couldn't do before. You never want a serious crisis to go to waste" ~~ Rahm Emmanuel

The patriotic blood of our founding fathers runs through my veins.

These "training exercises" goes against my grain.

[DefensiveCarry.com]

[mcp1810]

The only thing new about this is the location. The SF guys at Bragg have been playing games with the locals for years. IIRC they even had a fatal OOOPS! a couple of years back when they had a run in with a deputy that was not part of the game.

[mlr1m]

I agree there might be some paranoia here. I see it as healthy. If these fears are unfounded so be it. No harm done.

What if something bad was allowed to happen because no one was there to question it? Imagine the harm that would be done then. Do you honestly believe the nightly news will be the proper watchdog of our government to alert us of wrong doing?

If more sheep were paranoid we'd be eating alot less mutton.

Michael

[Sticks]

Unfortunately the head sheep has convinced the rest of the flock that the feral dogs running around them were hired by the head sheep to protect them from the wolves and the bad sheep that got their own guns.

[DaveH]

I agree there might be some paranoia here. I see it as healthy. If these fears are unfounded so be it. No harm done.

Michael

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Just because I am paranoid, doesn't mean I wrong.

[Bark'n]

I have to disagree with the statements that we are being paranoid.

We have too many anti-gun kooks in high power, and that includes Hussein Obama.

Hussein's buddies, Bobby Rush and Dunkin, have introduced anti-gun legislation.

I'd like to remind the nay-sayers about what happened in New Orleans post Hurricane Katrina.

YouTube - NRA: The Untold Story of Gun Confiscation After Katrina

Ask these folks in N.O. if they ever got their guns back.

I don't trust our anti-American commies who control our government. That's NOT paranoia.

They will eventually make a gun grab. They will use a crisis or disaster as an excuse to confiscate our guns.

Listen to Hussein's Chief of Staff: Rahm Emmanuel

YouTube - Rahm Emanuel on the Opportunities of Crisis

"A crisis will allow us to do things we couldn't do before. You never want a serious crisis to go to waste" ~~ Rahm Emmanuel

The patriotic blood of our founding fathers runs through my veins.

These "training exercises" goes against my grain.

There are military bases all over this country with "mock towns" from Quantico to 29 Palms, Ca. for this kind of training.

It was California National Guard troops along with La. State Police and local LEO's who took part in The Great Katrina Gun Confiscation of 2005. Undisputed facts. Caused quite a stir and numerous law suits for "just being paranoid."

Also if people didn't fear it could happen again, why did so many states, Missouri included pass legislation called "Katrina Acts" which now prohibit gun confiscation during disasters or periods of civil unrest?

And even with those new Katrina Laws, it doesn't mean it can't happen again.

Here's a little secret some folks may not be aware. Just because someone takes an oath, doesn't mean they won't ignore that oath if asked to do so.

Every member of congress takes an oath of office to support and defend the Constitution of the United States and we all see how that has worked out.

Heck, with most of them, the frost on their breath hasn't even dissipated yet from reciting the oath when they start subverting the Constitution.

[OPFOR]

..."A crisis will allow us to do things we couldn't do before. You never want a serious crisis to go to waste" ~~ Rahm Emmanuel

The patriotic blood of our founding fathers runs through my veins.

These "training exercises" goes against my grain.

Those founding fathers used a crisis to begin their revolution, as well...

This sort of training happens every day, at every military installation in the country. The only difference here is that they wanted to make it more realistic (and hence more valuable) by adding in civilians (something that isn't really all that uncommon either), and civilian structures that haven't been "searched" by the training units a thousand times before. Had the commander been a little more PR savvy, he would have said they were looking for an "IED maker" instead of a "weapons dealer," and no one in the rabidly anti-government, anti-military, anti-LEO community would have said a word.

[Bark'n]

Just to be clear... The only entities I give "blind allegiance" to is GOD, My Country, My Wife.

I am actually pro-government, pro-military (USMC vet) and pro-law enforcement. I just don't have blind faith that each of those entities can't and don't have "bad apples" in their ranks.

[rottkeeper]

I agree there might be some paranoia here. I see it as healthy. If these fears are unfounded so be it. No harm done.

What if something bad was allowed to happen because no one was there to question it? Imagine the harm that would be done then. Do you honestly believe the nightly news will be the proper watchdog of our government to alert us of wrong doing?

If more sheep were paranoid we'd be eating alot less mutton.

Michael

+100

[Sticks]

...This sort of training happens every day, at every military installation in the country. The only difference here is that they wanted to make it more realistic (and hence more valuable) by adding in civilians (something that isn't really all that uncommon either), and civilian structures that haven't been "searched" by the training units a thousand times before. Had the commander been a little more PR savvy, he would have said they were looking for an "IED maker" instead of a "weapons dealer," and no one in the rabidly anti-government, anti-military, anti-LEO community would have said a word.

Again, given the political climate and the people currently in power, I would not care if it was a scavenger hunt looking for cupcakes.

What sort of realism to you hope to obtain by using US citizens as interactive training, when the people that you encounter are living in radically different housing, do not speak English as a rule, among dozens of other blatantly different variables.

I felt the same concern when the evacuated Huston for the Hurricane the year after Katrina, and moved in 20k National Guard 2 days before the hurricane hit.

You call it paranoid, I call it vigilance.

The huge increase in firearm purchases and ammo that has been going on for 4 months is not paranoia?

When the AWB firs happened, Denver CO, did not just ban future purchases, you could not own/possess one in the city and county. They grandfathered in the current owners by registration, but anyone moving in was SOL.

What is to say "if" another AWB gets placed, that they outlaw possession, no grandfathering, turn em in. Any weapon or replica of a military issued rifle or carbine. Simple and sweet, a fairly short list.

You will excuse me, I need to go buy some more foil for my hat.

[paramedic70002]

A little twist, once I had an assignment as a security officer to watch this piece of property that was part of a movie set for "Navy SEALs." If you've seen the movie, it was the "secret underground bunker" that looked like a concrete CSS Virginia (Merrimack to you Yankees) half sunk in a grassy knoll. The scene was shot in Norfolk, and what made the property attractive to the production was that it was waterfront with a backdrop of Little Creek NAB, home of SEAL Team 6.
Just down the road from the set was an old factory. A NPD officer told me that the factory used to have a security officer at night, and one time the SEALs decided to mount a secret mission. They crossed the creek and came up the hill, took the guy's gun, and were gone. I think they might have cuffed him too, or otherwise incapacitated him.
The guy files a complaint and got his gun back. Well, I never got sleepy on that assignment and I kept one eye on the water at all times. I also had an AR and made up my mind that any shadowy visitors from the water were going to bring their A game to get to me.

[pgrass101]

I fail to understand why some have the level of paranoia that they do, I am not the most optimistic about the future but I still don’t understand all of the fear.

I believe in Peak Oil and that the US is heading in the direction of an Argentinean style economic collapse with our $11 Trillion deficit.

But I do not believe that Congress and our current POTUS is going to hand the keys to the country to the UN in the middle of the night. That I am going to wake up and see Belgian troops patrolling Montgomery Alabama.

Do you really think that this is going to happen? Do you really think that NATO can secure the US? Look at, Northern Ireland, Afghanistan and Iraq to see how well a foreign power can secure a country. And none of those countries were as well populated or as large of the US.

[AutoFan]

We train our military to perform acts in combat we as a people would never do in normal life (killing people, blowing up buildings, etc). We do that by putting them in situations where they get used to doing these otherwise abhorrant acts, and change their mindset that the "enemy" is not to be trusted. So, if you want to train the US military to commit acts against the Constitution and citizens of the US, you put them through training exercises that mimic those acts, and soon they will do those things when ordered.

If you really want to train them for IED and weapon sweeps overseas, perhaps you should do the training overseas. Or do the training in one of these failed housing developments around the country and get some foreign language students to volunteer for community service hours to be hostile, non-English speaking actors in your training. But don't do it in a small town in Iowa.

[AllAmerican]

You all realize this is training for operations OVERSEAS, where the military (surprise!) seeks out people who are arming the insurgents.... Right?

Sure they are. That training will be just as effective if they need it here too.

Of course.

Even the elected idiots are smart enough to know that they couldnt depend on the homeboys to collect guns. When that happens it will be done by someone else.

Like the Canadians? They have no doig in the fight.

You mean it will be done by UN troops? The same UN that Obama and Rahm Emanuel are getting cozy with?

And what about Obama's promise of a "special" national police force? You think he can't find a group of like minded thugs who would augment the UN troops?

It's all duel use tactics and policies. There's what our benevolent and trustworthy government tells us it is used for and then there's what it will be used for.

Indeed!

They were not looking for real gun dealer it is just training. They were only going in houses that the owners of the house had given permission to and were part of the training to help the troops for over here in iraq and afgan. I will say it again for the ones that can't get it though their head IT IS TRAINING that means it is not real they are not just breaking in to houses.

Condition the sheeple to accept this as normal.

We train our military to perform acts in combat we as a people would never do in normal life (killing people, blowing up buildings, etc). We do that by putting them in situations where they get used to doing these otherwise abhorrant acts, and change their mindset that the "enemy" is not to be trusted. So, if you want to train the US military to commit acts against the Constitution and citizens of the US, you put them through training exercises that mimic those acts, and soon they will do those things when ordered.

If you really want to train them for IED and weapon sweeps overseas, perhaps you should do the training overseas. Or do the training in one of these failed housing developments around the country and get some foreign language students to volunteer for community service hours to be hostile, non-English speaking actors in your training. But don't do it in a small town in Iowa.

Again, train the sheeple to think its normal.

I find it interesting that the folks on here who have no problem with this are mostly military. Am I wrong in that assesment?

[rottkeeper]

Again, given the political climate and the people currently in power, I would not care if it was a scavenger hunt looking for cupcakes.

I think you have scared cupcake into hiding.


You will excuse me, I need to go buy some more foil for my hat.

Could I borrow a piece of your foil?

I agree with you, why in the world would they need to train ''real world''tactics on our soil if not meant for maneuvers on our soil. Post Katrina, how can you expect them to not touch our guns when the next disaster happens? Many are waiting for just such opportunity to jump on the chance to take away our personal freedoms. It seems to come under the guise of ''homeland security'' when they attack our rights so that the sheep will bow to the higher authority who is only trying to PROTECT them.