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Iowa National Guard to practice house to house gun searches!! (MERGED)

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#1 ·
Borrowed this from another site. Kinda scary. These are voluntary, but practice makes perfect......for when they do not have to be.

http://www.carrollspaper.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=7451&TM=55111.9

Guardsmen to conduct urban training at Arcadia in April

By BUTCH HEMAN
Staff Writer



The Carroll National Guard unit will train on urban military operations by holding a four-day exercise at Arcadia.

The purpose of the April 2-5 drill will be to gather intelligence, then search for and apprehend a suspected weapons dealer, according to Sgt. Mike Kots, readiness NCO for Alpha Company.

Citizens, law enforcement, media and other supporters will participate.

Troops will spend Thursday, April 2, staging at a forward operations base at Carroll. The next day company leaders will conduct reconnaissance and begin patrolling the streets of Arcadia to identify possible locations of the weapons dealer.

The primary phase will be done Saturday, April 4, when convoys will be deployed from Carroll to Arcadia. Pictures of the arms dealer will be shown in Arcadia, and soldiers will go door to door asking if residents have seen the suspect.

Soldiers will knock only at households that have agreed to participate in the drill, Kots noted.

"Once credible intelligence has been gathered," said Kots, "portions of the town will be road-blocked and more in-depth searches of homes and vehicles will be conducted in accordance with the residents' wishes.

"One of the techniques we use in today's political environment is cordon and knock," Kots explained. "We ask for the head of the household, get permission to search, then have them open doors and cupboards. The homeowner maintains control. We peer over their shoulder, and the soldier uses the homeowner's body language and position to protect him."

During this phase of the operation, troops will interact with residents and media while implementing crowd-control measures and possibly treating and evacuating injured persons.

The unit will use a Blackhawk helicopter for overhead command and control, and to simulate medevacs.

The drill will culminate in the apprehension of the suspected arms dealer.

Alpha Company will conduct a review of the drill on Sunday, April 5.

A meeting to give residents more information and accept volunteers will be held 7 p.m. Monday, March 2, in the Arcadia American Legion hall.

Kots said the exercise will replace Alpha Company's weekend drill for April.

"We have a lot of extended drills this coming year," he added.

In addition to surveillance, searching and apprehension, the exercise will also give the troops valuable experience in stability, support, patrol, traffic control, vehicle searches and other skills needed for deployment in an urban environment.

"This exercise will improve the real-life operational skills of the unit," said Kots. "And it will hopefully improve the public's understanding of military operations."

The pre-drill work with residents is as important at the drill itself.

"It will be important for us to gain the trust and confidence of the residents of Arcadia," said Kots. "We will need to identify individuals that are willing to assist us in training by allowing us to search their homes and vehicles and to participate in role-playing."

"We really want to get as much information out there as possible, because this operation could be pretty intrusive to the people of Arcadia."
 
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#42 ·
I fail to understand why some have the level of paranoia that they do, I am not the most optimistic about the future but I still don’t understand all of the fear.

I believe in Peak Oil and that the US is heading in the direction of an Argentinean style economic collapse with our $11 Trillion deficit.

But I do not believe that Congress and our current POTUS is going to hand the keys to the country to the UN in the middle of the night. That I am going to wake up and see Belgian troops patrolling Montgomery Alabama.

Do you really think that this is going to happen? Do you really think that NATO can secure the US? Look at, Northern Ireland, Afghanistan and Iraq to see how well a foreign power can secure a country. And none of those countries were as well populated or as large of the US.
 
#43 ·
We train our military to perform acts in combat we as a people would never do in normal life (killing people, blowing up buildings, etc). We do that by putting them in situations where they get used to doing these otherwise abhorrant acts, and change their mindset that the "enemy" is not to be trusted. So, if you want to train the US military to commit acts against the Constitution and citizens of the US, you put them through training exercises that mimic those acts, and soon they will do those things when ordered.

If you really want to train them for IED and weapon sweeps overseas, perhaps you should do the training overseas. Or do the training in one of these failed housing developments around the country and get some foreign language students to volunteer for community service hours to be hostile, non-English speaking actors in your training. But don't do it in a small town in Iowa.
 
#46 ·
The truth of the matter is people have their constitutional rights infringed upon on a daily basis. As long as they are isolated incidents that get a reaction from the public and get laws changed/amended with proper reparations to the injured parties and reprimand/punishment to the person(s) involved, it's not a bad thing it's how our government and legal system work. That being said when it stops being isolated and becomes systematic we need to be concerned. The problem is its hard to tell where the change is until its to late.

If the gov. does something that we perceive as wrong non-constitutional we need to say something to let the leaders know that we are watching and we are drawing a line in the sand right here and now. Political pressure by the sounds of it forced the Iowa Nat Guard to change their plans that's good the time they don't bow to overwhelming public pressure is the time to be concerned.

Do we need to be paranoid YES, should we be stockpiling firearms and ammo MAYBE, should we be planning for armed resistance NOT YET, should we be inundating our state legislators, governors, attorney generals, senators, representatives, the president and even the news media with our concerns about the direction of our country YES

The thing to remember is all these people are just that people they may be part of the evil socialist plot, the girl scouts or the dark side of the force. But they are people and they will look out for themselves first. If we put up a show of political force they want to get reelected and not have to give up their cushy gov. jobs. Look what results happened with the Wyoming Reciprocity thread, some determined individuals that don't even live in the state made a positive change.

We need to stop being reactive and wringing our hand and worrying about the future and work on changing the future by being proactive.
Lets hammer the NRA, GOA and others to work with friendly politician to get some preemption laws passed to protect our rights.

That's my vent I'll get of my:soapbox::soapbox::soapbox:
 
#49 ·
Allow me to put a slightly different spin on this:

These Iowa NG troops know they're going overseas. Some of them have been there before, some haven't.

The guys that have been want to train up the guys who haven't, that way the new guys have a better chance of coming back alive.

Most of the guys live right there in Arcadia. Most of the rest live within 50 miles.

The residents of Arcadia have a very real interest in helping prepare these Soldiers because they are their friends family and neighbors.

The Army strives for the most realistic training it can get with the resources it has.

So why didn't they go to a training facility with professional OPFOR and an environment tailored to their specific mission?

Answer: they don't have the money. Moving a company on several days of active duty costs a lot, probably hundreds of thousands. Driving downtown on drill weekend costs the same as any other drill weekend.

My ultimate assessment is this isn't the idea of the fed, or the UN, or the dems, the repubs, the commies, or the crab people. This is the idea of a couple old crusty sergeants who just want their men to come home alive.
 
#61 ·
What is to say "if" another AWB gets placed, that they outlaw possession, no grandfathering, turn em in. Any weapon or replica of a military issued rifle or carbine. Simple and sweet, a fairly short list.
There is nothing to say that this won’t happen. And guess what? If it does happen, it will be done by the duly elected representative government that we put into place. As has often been said, a democracy gets the government it deserves.

why in the world would they need to train ''real world''tactics on our soil if not meant for maneuvers on our soil.
Umm, perhaps because we live here? What would you have us do, fly a company of Guardsmen to Morocco for a weekend so they can train there? Do you realize what a downright silly statement this is? ALL of our military trains ALL of the time on our soil, for tactics meant to be used on foreign soil. To even suggest that some other situation is not only possible but somehow more realistic denotes a severe lack of understanding on the subject.
My ultimate assessment is this isn't the idea of the fed, or the UN, or the dems, the repubs, the commies, or the crab people. This is the idea of a couple old crusty sergeants who just want their men to come home alive.
Bingo. I’ve led Guard platoons, and I was always looking at ways to make our training better. As often as possible, that meant getting us off of our “training area” (most of which are just chunks of woodlands) and into more realistic area…abandoned buildings, houses slated to be torn down, even paintball fields. If I could have gotten a whole town to play along, I would have jumped at the chance. The Guard doesn’t have the full-time access to military training facilities or the money for training that an Active Duty unit has – the strength of their training often depends on the creativity and imagination of their leadership, and the one benefit that they have is (sometimes) the freedom to get away from Post and into the “real world.”

Shame on many of you for stifling their training based on your paranoid (in the true meaning of the term) delusions of blue helmeted invaders and midnight raids by Sara Brady.
 
#68 ·
Yes it was training...and probably not meant for anything other than that for all involved. But...don't think this kind of stuff could not happen with some of the people in power right now. I am very nervous about our leaders in power. I am really afraid the good guys there are severely outnumbered. It's easy to get paranoid in these times of the most antigun administration in our history.
 
#69 ·
Did you not read the posts where it was pointed out that this sort of thing happens quite often? It's unusual (and pretty cool) that they got a whole town to participate, but I've gotten local PDs and FDs, owners of abandoned buildings, and so on to OK training on their property or in their "jurisdiction" before . We just never said we were looking for "weapons dealers" so nobody got their panties in a twist...
 
#70 ·
Yes I read all of the posts, and I am not one of the paranoid. I do understand that it was training, and am not fueling the conspiracy, at least not trying to. I just couldn't seem to word it better. One of my best friend's dad is a retired E-7 trainer with the NG. I am just saying (I guess), that we need to keep an eye on the VERY LEFT powers that be in the capital right now. There has been an NG post and armory in my hometown for all of my 30 years. I just am trying to say that there is always some one who will try and slip one by, and it never hurts to keep your head on the swivel and your ear to the ground.
 
#72 ·
HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Oh my goodness I haven't laughed that hard in a lonnnnnggggg time!

Alot of you seem to think to Military and LEO's as some other breed of human imported as automatons to brainlessly do what they are told by some shadowy figure in a tower some where! We are your neighbors, your friends, the kid you went to grade school with - Most military officers and NCO's are gun owners themselves - do you really think that they will completely forget thta they swore an oath to DEFEND the constitution againts FORIEGN and DOMESTIC threats?!?!?!?

give me a break.
It is a training exercise, OPFOR hit the nail right on the head.
 
#73 ·
HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Oh my goodness I haven't laughed that hard in a lonnnnnggggg time!

Alot of you seem to think to Military and LEO's as some other breed of human imported as automatons to brainlessly do what they are told by some shadowy figure in a tower some where! We are your neighbors, your friends, the kid you went to grade school with - Most military officers and NCO's are gun owners themselves - do you really think that they will completely forget thta they swore an oath to DEFEND the constitution againts FORIEGN and DOMESTIC threats?!?!?!?

give me a break.
It is a training exercise, OPFOR hit the nail right on the head.

Look at our members in congress. Alot of them seem to have forgot it.

Michael
 
#75 ·
NO but I think the point is that they (soldiers and Congress) both swore the same oath, and not all of Congress seem to be holding up their end.
 
#77 ·
LOLOLOL--This wound up being much ado about nothing. The IANG has cancelled the training, which was to assist them in their upcoming deployment to Afghanistan. They were practicing "soft knock" training, which according to several members that I have spoken to, is widely practiced in theater.

The whole idea was generated from the IANG and not a directive from the Fed. It was a bad idea given the political climate, but it was a local idea.

Dan
 
#81 ·
Amen to this statement it amazes me how much crap the media is responsible for, heck just watch the daily news... I am not the paranoid type but I do agree that anyone who believes that it is above this government to not try and pull something at some point in time is plainly having head in the sand. But I also think if it came to something so big as taking everyone's guns that there would be a lot of blood shed as that might be the straw that breaks the sheeples backs.
 
#80 ·
We all laugh an ridicule each other for crying wolf. I'd rather have that than to have ignored a threat that turned out to be real. We must make sure that those in power never forget that we are watching.
That we will hold them to the oath they took to protect the constitution.

There are those in government who believe that not being able to use the military as a domestic police force is outdated. Its better to be proactive in dealing with this threat. Its hard to undo things after they are in effect.

Michael
 
#84 ·
We all laugh an ridicule each other for crying wolf. I'd rather have that than to have ignored a threat that turned out to be real...
Absolutely. The point was that this was in no way, at any time, and under no circumstances even remotely related to any attempt to take anyones weapons or to usurp the constitution. It was a training event by some Guardsmen who are about to go into harms way defending the rights that many here think they are somehow trying to take away.

Educated scepticism and a critical, watchful eye on those in power is healthy. Ridiculous fantasies about blue helmeted storm troopers springing up from the grounds of a National Guard training exercise is the worst sort of paranoia. Let's be careful which side we fall on...
 
#82 ·
Ex Soldier, I have contact with these "young police officers" every day. I have not seen any of this attitude that "cops should be the only ones with weapons"

Maybe you see it in Large urban areas (Million plus people) but I sure as heck dont see it here.

There are to many military officers and SNCO's that are educated and intelligent gun owners, just as there are to many Police Lieutenants and Sergeants who know the constitution to let this happen - of course this is my opinion based on knowing many of these types of people. Take it or leave it. As for the UN doing anything in the US? THAT is funny. The UN has enough problems trying to do anything productive in HAITI.
 
#86 ·
Who said anything about being effective?

Ex Soldier, I have contact with these "young police officers" every day. I have not seen any of this attitude that "cops should be the only ones with weapons"

Maybe you see it in Large urban areas (Million plus people) but I sure as heck dont see it here.

As for the UN doing anything in the US? THAT is funny. The UN has enough problems trying to do anything productive in HAITI.
I live in Miami FL and I see it all the time.

RE: The UN. Who said anything about them doing something effective or productive? I expect them to do only one thing: Pillage, rape, loot and create havoc under the color of law because whatever evil regime has invited them onto our soil.:twak: Don't kid yourself that they're all incompetent wimps. UN troops do this kind of thing (rape rob and pillage) in places like Sudan and Somalia, which are really pretty deadly spots themselves. Get enough into the areas in this country with bad gun control already and it could get ugly. :dead:
 
#85 ·
The constitution is not going to matter when we forefit our soverignty to the EEU,and we become "The New Americas" with Canada and Mexico. Hold on a sec I gotta throw up.:tired:
 
#88 ·
OPFOR well said.

Ex Soldier - for the UN to be able to even rape pillage or loot in the US they would have to seriously get thier act together - to many armed people here who like to fight. To big of country for them to gain any kind of control. To many members of our military and LE that would fight back. Read and re read OPFOR's last post. Are we taking this paranoia over into the unhealthy side with this thread? I think so.
 
#91 ·
My statement is to the number of liberal dems that now have the power to push their agendas, whether or not they do only time will tell. But I don't think of people who are keeping an eye open as paranoid as much as vigilant.
 
#92 ·
Don't get me wrong. We always need to pay attention to potential infringements. But the Federal government is prevented by the Second Amendment, as the Heller opinion demonstrated, from banning/confiscating/disarming Americans. The panic is not justified. (At least not on the gun issue.)

Yes, taxes may and probably will be increased. Ammo is the least of my concerns of likely tax increases. Other tax increases will make any ammo tax negligible. Taxation is not an infringement of rights.

The only concern should be state legislation. And with few exceptions, it is mostly pro gun legislation that is being proposed and enacted throughout the nation.
 
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