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    100,000 foot soldiers in Mexican cartels...

    No, its not a typo. Not sure how accurate that number is but...

    Washington Times - EXCLUSIVE: 100,000 foot soldiers in Mexican cartels

    CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico

    The U.S. Defense Department thinks Mexico's two most deadly drug cartels together have fielded more than 100,000 foot soldiers - an army that rivals Mexico's armed forces and threatens to turn the country into a narco-state.

    "It's moving to crisis proportions," a senior U.S. defense official told The Washington Times. The official, who spoke on the condition that he not be named because of the sensitive nature of his work, said the cartels' "foot soldiers" are on a par with Mexico's army of about 130,000.

    The disclosure underlines the enormity of the challenge Mexico and the United States face as they struggle to contain what is increasingly looking like a civil war or an insurgency along the U.S.-Mexico border. In the past year, about 7,000 people have died - more than 1,000 in January alone. The conflict has become increasingly brutal, with victims beheaded and bodies dissolved in vats of acid.

    The death toll dwarfs that in Afghanistan, where about 200 fatalities, including 29 U.S. troops, were reported in the first two months of 2009. About 400 people, including 31 U.S. military personnel, died in Iraq during the same period.

    The biggest and most violent combatants are the Sinaloa cartel, known by U.S. and Mexican federal law enforcement officials as the "Federation" or "Golden Triangle," and its main rival, "Los Zetas" or the Gulf Cartel, whose territory runs along the Laredo,Texas, borderlands.

    The two cartels appear to be negotiating a truce or merger to defeat rivals and better withstand government pressure. U.S. officials say the consequences of such a pact would be grave.

    "I think if they merge or decide to cooperate in a greater way, Mexico could potentially have a national security crisis," the defense official said. He said the two have amassed so many people and weapons that Mexican President Felipe Calderon is "fighting for his life" and "for the life of Mexico right now."

    As a result, Mexico is behind only Pakistan and Iran as a top U.S. national security concern, ranking above Afghanistan and Iraq, the defense official added.

    Other U.S. officials and Mexico specialists agreed with this assessment.

    Michael V. Hayden, who left as CIA director in January, put Mexico second to Iran as a top national security threat to the United States. His successor, Leon E. Panetta, told reporters at his first news conference that the agency is "paying ... a lot of attention to" Mexico.

    Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano told CBS' "60 Minutes" on Sunday that "the stakes are high for the safety of many, many citizens of Mexico and the stakes are high for the United States no doubt."

    In a December interview with The Times, President Bush said his successor would need to deal "with these drug cartels in our own neighborhood. And the front line of the fight will be Mexico."

    A State Department travel advisory last month seemed timed to caution U.S. students contemplating spring breaks south of the border.

    "Some recent Mexican army and police confrontations with drug cartels have resembled small-unit combat, with cartels employing automatic weapons and grenades," the advisory said.

    agence france-presse/getty images Relatives of a man killed in a suspected drug-related clash mourn near the site of the shooting in Culiacan, Mexico. The U.S. State Department has issued travel advisories as drug-related violence escalates south of the border.

    Independent analysts warn that narco-terrorists have infiltrated the Mexican government, creating a shadow regime that further complicates efforts to contain and destroy the cartels.

    "My greatest fear is that the tentacles of the shadow government grow stronger, that the cartels have penetrated the government and that they will be able to act with impunity and that this ever stronger shadow government will effectively evolve into a narco-state," said Ted Galen Carpenter, vice president for defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute in Washington.

    The Mexican Embassy in Washington did not respond to a request for comment on the drug war.

    Mr. Calderon, however, has adamantly denied assertions that Mexico is becoming a failed state.

    The Mexican government has "not lost any part - any single part - of the Mexican territory to drug cartels," he recently told the Associated Press.

    His comments run counter to the impressions of U.S. law enforcement officials and some Mexican journalists reporting in Ciudad Juarez, a city just across the border from El Paso, Texas.

    On a recent morning here, the once-bustling border town of 1.3 million was more like a ghost town.

    "It's empty," said a vendor of freshly baked tortillas and salsa, who asked to be identified only by her first name, Maria. "We are in a losing war against the narco-traffickers. My business is dying, and soon it will join the graveyard of businesses that have had to close down. No one comes Juarez anymore."

    More than 1,800 people have been killed in the city since last year. The number continued to climb as The Times visited, with more than 20 deaths in one week.

    In response to the challenge, U.S. and Mexican authorities have stepped up raids on cartel members in both countries.

    Last week, U.S. and Mexican forces arrested 755 people, including 52 in the United States associated with the Sinaloa cartel. However, cartel leader Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman is still at large. He is thought to be living in Sinaloa and protected by hired gunmen and Mexican federal officials on his payroll, said a U.S. law enforcement official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the ongoing intelligence operations.

    associated press Mexico's federal police prepare for deployment to Ciudad Juarez, just across the border from El Paso, Texas. More than 45,000 troops have been engaged in the drug war since President Felipe Calderon took office in 2006.

    Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) spokesman Garrison Courtney said last week's raids put a dent in cartel operations but that public attention to the crisis has been long in coming.

    "If we don't start paying attention, the violence - which has already spilled into the U.S. - is going to get worse," Mr. Courtney said. "This is a shared interest between the United States and Mexico to go after these drug traffickers."

    In recent years, however, U.S. officials have been reluctant to share information with Mexican counterparts, fearing that they will leak to the cartels.

    DEA officials interviewed by The Times said the Sinaloa cartel employs Mexican federal officials, while other cartels pay off local governments and police.

    "Many times, what you see isn't really what's going on," said a DEA official, who asked not to be named because of the nature of his work. "Many times the death of federal officers or local police isn't a cartel making the hit, but the cartels themselves in the government fighting one another. The same thing has happened to the Mexican army, where the cartels have also bought loyalty to move dope into the U.S."

    Mr. Courtney said the Mexican cartels have "evolved into the Colombian cartels of the 1980s. Even the government's reaction to what's going on there right now and over the last five years is what the government of Colombia faced when they went after Pablo Escobar. Juarez has seen an escalation in that same type of brutal violence."

    Escobar was a Colombian drug lord who died in 1993.

    More than 2,000 Mexican army soldiers and 425 federal police are patrolling in Chihuahua state, where Ciudad Juarez is located. More than 45,000 Mexican troops have been engaged in the drug war since Mr. Calderon took office in 2006.

    Mr. Carpenter said the use of the Mexican military may be backfiring.

    "I said at the time when Calderon called the military to take the lead role in confronting the cartels that he was undertaking a massive gamble," Mr. Carpenter said. "It is clear now that he is losing that gamble if he has not already lost it."

    A U.S. counterterrorism official said, however, that the severity of the crisis was bringing the U.S. and Mexican governments closer and that the CIA will work closely with Mexico if asked for guidance.

    "Both countries have a common interest in clamping down on the cartels, and that has shaved away some of the underlying historical tensions in what has long been a close relationship with Mexico," said the official, who spoke on the condition that he not be named. "The Mexicans understand - perhaps more so than at any time in recent memory - that we are genuine about taking these people on."

    Meanwhile, thousands of Mexicans daily cross the Santa Fe bridge, which connects Ciudad Juarez to El Paso, ironically one of the safest U.S. cities.

    "Why should we have to live like this?"asked Maria, the vendor. "Why do our children have to die, while our neighbors live like nothing is happening? Every day we pray for something different, for peace. Every day our prayers are left unanswered."
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    *sigh*

    I thought I had stocked up enough ammo and then I go and read something like this...

    Well my cigar and computer funds will now be diverted to ammunition!

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    We may soon need all the ammo we can get.
    Me thinks it's going to get bad!!
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    I read this story early this morning.......one shot x 100,000......dang I have to hit the ammo store again...my family is going on a diet.....again
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    Boy just what we need a failed state on our southern border
    Sometimes I wonder who the old man in the mirror is....

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    It's going to get a lot worse.
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    And by my calculations there are over 2 million armed Texans.... NUF Said.
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    A couple of days ago, our new DHS Secretary, Janet Napolitano, said that Mexican drug violence has NOT crossed over the border into the U.S. yet.

    Napolitano: Violence in Mexico Not Yet Spilling Across U.S. Border
    Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano acknowledges rising violence in Mexico, but says while U.S. officials are preparing for that violence to spill across the border it has not yet.
    By Mosheh Oinounou

    FOXNews.com

    Friday, February 20, 2009

    Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano denied Thursday that the latest drug-fueled violence in Mexico has spilled across the border, even as local officials throughout the country see troubling signs of Mexican gang activity.

    The Department of Justice reports that 230 U.S. cities, from Anchorage to Atlanta have a cartel or Mexican gang presence. A February report from the Cato Institute found a "troubling number of incidents" in which Mexico violence was spilling across the border. It also noted increasing violence against U.S. citizens traveling in the southern neighbor.

    Federal authorities say more that $14 billion in illegal drugs are smuggled into the U.S. every year through Mexico. And Phoenix, the capital city of Napolitano's home state of Arizona, recorded 370 kidnappings last year, placing it only second to Mexico City worldwide, though it wasn't immediately clear how many of the kidnappings can be traced to Mexican drug activity.

    Napolitano acknowledged Thursday that violence in Mexico "has risen to very high levels." But she said that although the U.S. is planning for the potential for violence to move north across the border, it hasn't happened yet.

    "Right now it has not (crossed the border). But it is a contingency we have in mind because it could," the former Arizona governor told reporters. "We have contingency plans should violence spread into the United States."

    The situation in Mexico is dire.

    The country sees almost daily assassinations and kidnappings of government and police officials, battles frequently break out between soldiers and drug gangs involving small-arms fire and rocket-propelled grenades.

    Experts warn that the violence already is on a pace to break last year's record of nearly 6,000 people killed by narco-terrorists in Mexico.

    "What we have seen in Mexico is a very sobering trend. ... At the current pace, for 2009 we are looking at something in the area of 8,000 dead. It is a carnage that is alarming already," Ted Carpenter, a Cato Institute foreign policy expert, said at a forum Thursday. "Mexico has already displaced Colombia as the kidnapping capital of the world ... and the violence is spilling across the border into the United States. American citizens, including law enforcement personnel, have been targeted by the drug cartels for assassination."

    President Obama discussed the latest drug violence during a meeting last month with Mexican President Felipe Calderon, whose country already has deployed 45,000 troops to fight the cartels.

    The final stimulus plan Obama signed into law this week contained about $600 million to help bolster border security and curb gun flow to Mexico -- 95 percent of which come from the U.S.

    The situation is so unstable the Obama administration's new director of national intelligence warned Congress last week that the Mexican government is losing control.

    "The corruptive influence and increasing violence of Mexican drug cartels impedes Mexico City's ability to govern parts of its country," Dennis Bair told the Senate Intelligence Committee.

    Even more alarming, the U.S. Joint Forces Command said in recent report that Mexico rivals Pakistan as the country most at risk of collapse. The report said Mexico's "politicians, police and judicial infrastructure are all under sustained assault and pressure by criminal gangs and drug cartels. ... Any descent by Mexico into chaos would demand an American response based on the serious implications for homeland security alone."

    For their part, Texas authorities are preparing contingency plans for the worst-case scenario -- hundreds of thousands of Mexican refugees attempting to head north to escape the violence. The economic consequences of collapse are immense with trade between the two countries totaling $368 billion last year. Mexico also is the top supplier to the U.S. of crude oil.
    IS SHE CRAZY? There is documented evidence of the violence spilling across the border. Last year DHS published a report detailing hundreds of violent crimes committed by drug cartels on U.S. soil. And she's the head of DHS!!

    God help us.

    Our liberal leaders like Napolitano, Obama, Pelosi, and Reid would rather punish law-abiding Americans with an AWB than confront the real problem.

    I have a very difficult time understanding the liberal mind-set.

    There will come a time that Americans will get fed up with our inept leadership in Washington. Americans will get fed up with criminal aliens wreaking havoc in the United States. Americans will get fed up with footing the bill for illegals health care and education. And there will come a day when Americans get fed up with illegals stealing our jobs.

    That time is drawing closer and closer when Americans stand up and say "NO MORE STUPIDITY" and take our country back.

    The tax-and-spend commie-crats think that throwing money at a problem is the answer. The problem is: IT'S NOT THEIR MONEY!!!

    IT'S OUR MONEY THAT THEY ARE WASTING.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheldon J View Post
    And by my calculations there are over 2 million armed Texans.... NUF Said.
    Very true. And, say the word and many more armed Americans would be on the way!
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    Patti the sad thing is that so many of the sheeple think there is nothing wrong, they believe what the idiot Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano has to say.

    I hate to say but it is those followers that we will end up fighting against in the end. As much as I hate to admit it a war is coming and it will be on our own soil just trying to keep ourselves free of this crap. I am so glad that I am at the upper border not lower but I fear for the safety of my family in Southern CA who have already reported a significant increase in violent crimes.

    My dad who has a friend in the LA Gang unit said it is almost to a point he wants out because its so dangerous of a fight, now that's scary... He was telling us about all of the beheadings they are finding and he has seen the pictures of the acid vats on many cases that is spoken about in that article so its not all hogwash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IssaquahWA19 View Post
    Patti the sad thing is that so many of the sheeple think there is nothing wrong, they believe what the idiot Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano has to say.

    I hate to say but it is those followers that we will end up fighting against in the end. As much as I hate to admit it a war is coming and it will be on our own soil just trying to keep ourselves free of this crap. I am so glad that I am at the upper border not lower but I fear for the safety of my family in Southern CA who have already reported a significant increase in violent crimes.

    My dad who has a friend in the LA Gang unit said it is almost to a point he wants out because its so dangerous of a fight, now that's scary... He was telling us about all of the beheadings they are finding and he has seen the pictures of the acid vats on many cases that is spoken about in that article so its not all hogwash.
    I believe you are right. We will end up fighting the Obamabots in the end.

    Isn't it ironic that Obama likes to compare himself to Abraham Lincoln?

    Lincoln ended the civil war. Obama is creating a civil war.
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    The Mexican Governments culture of corruption is now coming back to haunt them. They can't trust the Police,the Army, Or any other branch of the Government. So many Government, Police, and Army people getting filthy rich and no one ever bothered to investigate anything, I remember hearing many times how the Mexican Governments stance was that the drug war is Americas problem, since we are the ones consuming the drugs,meanwhile the Mexicans in a position of authority al got on the Narcos payrolls. There chickens have come home to roost,more than likely the U.S. will have to pay for this war ,financially ,and with the blood of our people. The Mexicans that are trustworthy are few and far between,most of them have already been betrayed and killed. I feel sorry for the common people of Mexico,they are kept poor,uneducated, and live only to be exploited. If I was them I'd do anything to get out of there,just like they do.

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    Well, drug cartels pay a lot better than the military. Easy to see those numbers considering. If half the forces are stoned, we can take 'em easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgrass101 View Post
    Boy just what we need a failed state on our southern border

    Hey........you must be talking about California!

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