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    Soldiers pledge to refuse disarmament demands

    Campaign urges members of military to 'steel resolve' to 'do the right thing'

    By Bob Unruh
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    An invitation to soldiers and peace officers across the United States to pledge to refuse illegal orders – including "state of emergency" orders that could include disarming or detaining American citizens – has struck a chord, collecting more than 100,000 website visitors in a little over a week and hundreds of e-mails daily.

    Spokesman Stewart Rhodes of Oath Keepers told WND his organization's goal is to remind military members their oath of allegiance is to the U.S. Constitution, not a particular president.

    He said the organization deliberately does not collect the names of those who subscribe to Oath Keepers' beliefs because of their status mostly as active duty soldiers.

    He told WND he is scheduled to talk about the issue on G. Gordon Liddy's radio program tomorrow at 10:30 a.m. Eastern Time, and he's begun working with "Gathering of Eagles" on several projects, including a Pro Troop Events gathering scheduled in Washington in June.

    Rhodes said his goal is to "teach them more about what they swore to defend so they will be better able to see when an order violates the Constitution and the rights of the people, and is thus unlawful."

    That review must be done immediately, so they have an opportunity to decide what is right and wrong and then to "steel their resolve to take a stand and do the right thing, whatever the cost," the organization says.

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    The U.S., Rhodes noted to WND, was launched as a natural law republic, meaning the founders recognized all rights come from God, not the government.

    The founders, many of whom ended up active militarily in the revolution, rebelled "against the principle" that a king or parliament could rule them.

    "That's where we are. We want to make sure men in the military understand in advance what the line is they won't cross," Rhodes said.

    One testimonial posted by an active duty Army soldier, who was kept anonymous, said that message already has gotten through.

    "I want you guys to know I'm with you 100 percent and so are a lot of my fellow soldiers. These kinds of discussions go on between us often, and we all know that we did not swear an oath to any politician (of either party)," he wrote.

    "And just for the record not me or anyone else in my platoon would ever follow an order to disarm the American people," he wrote.

    The organization describes itself as a non-partisan group of members of the military as well as peace officers "who will fulfill our oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God."

    Among the orders the soldiers are pledging NOT to obey:


    We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people. … Any such order today would also be an act of war against the American people, and thus an act of treason. We will not make war on our own people, and we will not commit treason by obeying any such treasonous order.


    We will NOT obey any order to conduct warrantless searches of the American people, their homes, vehicles, papers, or effects – such as warrantless house-to house searches for weapons or persons. … We expect that warrantless searches of homes and vehicles, under some pretext, will be the means used to attempt to disarm the people.


    We will NOT obey any order to detain American citizens as "unlawful enemy combatants" or to subject them to trial by military tribunal. … Any attempt to apply the laws of war to American civilians, under any pretext, such as against domestic "militia" groups the government brands "domestic terrorists," is an act of war and an act of treason.


    We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a "state of emergency" on a state, or to enter with force into a state, without the express consent and invitation of that state's legislature and governor. … It is the militia of a state and of the several states that the Constitution contemplates being used in any context, during any emergency within a state, not the standing army.


    We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty and declares the national government to be in violation of the compact by which that state entered the Union.


    We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps. … Such tactics … by the Nazis in the Warsaw Ghetto, and by the Imperial Japanese in Nanking, turn[ed] entire cities into death camps. Any such order to disarm and confine the people of an American city will be an act of war and thus an act of treason.


    We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext. … Such a vile order to forcibly intern Americans without charges or trial would be an act of war against the American people, and thus an act of treason, regardless of the pretext used.


    We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to "keep the peace" or to "maintain control" during any emergency, or under any other pretext. We will consider such use of foreign troops against our people to be an invasion and an act of war.


    We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies, under any emergency pretext whatsoever.


    We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.
    "We will not make war against our own people. We will not commit treason. We will defend the Republic," the organization's website states. "And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually affirm our oath and pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor."

    Rhodes said the organization has not even had time to complete its website, but the word is spreading so quickly through its blog that thousands of people are investigating the site each day.

    Plans had been to wait on the campaign until a website was established, but recent events accelerated the effort, he said.

    One such situation was a training exercise planned by the National Guard in Iowa on which WND reported.

    Rhodes said the effort is not a response to President Obama or his policies.

    He said the accumulation of power in the executive branch in recent years has been alarming. The fears crystallized when Obama took office and suddenly had access to the accumulated power.

    That, he said, is a "powderkeg."

    "We do feel in our hearts that this effort has the potential to change history for the better and to forestall or even prevent this nation from ever experiencing the horrors that plagued so many other nations in the 20th Century," the website says.

    "We are convinced that it is not too late, that there can be a turning of the tide – if we (and that means you too!) can reach enough of our brothers in arms and remind them of their oath, teach them more about what it is they swore to defend, and steel their resolves to stand firm if/when their oath is tested. We feel honor bound to do all we possibly can to achieve that mission."

    WND already has reported on several members of the U.S. military who have raised concerns about the implications of Obama's possible ineligibility to be commander-in-chief.

    One officer who signed onto a case filed by attorney Orly Taitz, the California activist with the Defend Our Freedoms Foundation, immediately was ordered by his commanders not to speak to the media.

    The officer's identity was withheld to prevent further actions against him.

    Taitz said she's working with more than 100 members of the military in her case.

    WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

    Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

    Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.
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    Very nice, I personally know LEO's and military that have stated they will not obey orders to disarm the public.
    It's good to see a campaign like this take off. I served under Reagan, never once did we have discussions about obeying unlawful orders. Sad to see how far this great nation has slid away from our roots.
    I believe Obama's citizenship needs to be investigated fully. For the sake of the pledge keep the two issues separate.
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    Very good! Spread the word to all who will listen.
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    This is very good, but I fear that there are many that will just not care also. If we ever get to this point... it is going to be hell on earth!!

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    Very nice.

    It is good to determine ahead of time what line they will not cross.

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    I know a number of LEO's who already have said such things.

    Hopefully, we'll never see 'blue flags' at the end of the street.
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    Isn't it sad that our military and LEO's feel the need to make this pledge?

    I have never seen anything like this in my lifetime....not in America.

    America is in distress.

    Thank God for all of these patriotic men and women who made this pledge.
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    They'd NEVER get me to enforce that!
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    I am skeptical. I know plenty of cops. I know some really good guys that are LEO's and have ran into a few that were on their own mission of being a bigshot or whatever.

    I have never come across a military person who was this way but....

    Look what happened in LA during Katrina. They were just following orders.

    What happens when the POTUS and the machine tell you to do it or be locked up or die? You gonna leave your family behind so some civilians can have their guns?

    I pray to God it never comes to it but as Patti said, "our nation is in distress"

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAT40 View Post
    Very nice, I personally know LEO's and military that have stated they will not obey orders to disarm the public.
    It's good to see a campaign like this take off. I served under Reagan, never once did we have discussions about obeying unlawful orders. Sad to see how far this great nation has slid away from our roots.
    I believe Obama's citizenship needs to be investigated fully. For the sake of the pledge keep the two issues separate.
    Sadly I heard of a LEO in Broward County that has expressed his willingness and enjoyment at the possibility of mass confiscations. I guess we will have both sides of the equation.
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    Make no mistake....if or when it happens, there will be many who will not obey such orders and many who will. It will be all out war. Between the citizens of the country along with the Military members who won't obey the orders, thus deemed rebels or traitors, and the Military members who will obey the orders, dubbed Patriots after that. An all out civil war much like what Russia saw for a short time except of course there will be lots of us armed civilians fighting too. It will be bloody and very ugly and every day I am more and more convinced it is going to happy in the coming few years.

    The country is heading down the wrong path right now kids. This whole bail out scam seems to me to be a way that the Socialist in Chief is getting the sheeple of the country to go along willingly in nationalizing most of the economy.

    Stock up on ammo and everyone needs to get a battle rifle, either and AK, AR or something similar, before it gets bad.
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    I read an article on another board today that said some MP's were brought off base to the citys where the shooting took place in AL last week. They were supposibly protecting crime scenes and directing traffic.

    I believe they as a majority will do as they are told, really how many military people do you know that have not had "follow orders" pounded into their head?
    The same with many LEO's, they may not like it but I would bet many will do as they are told.

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    Sadly I heard of a LEO in Broward County that has expressed his willingness and enjoyment at the possibility of mass confiscations. I guess we will have both sides of the equation.
    He wont last long.
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