New security on souther border

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    New security on souther border

    Just announced:
    doubling LE officers on border
    tripling DHS security agents on border
    instituting new screening measures for vehicles/trains going south into Mexico

    all I can say is.....ITS ABOUT TIME!!!!!


    this isn't going to be the catch-all, and there are other measures that need to be put in place, but at least someone at the federal level is starting to do SOMETHING about the problem
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    I still want the WALL or a mine field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ErnieNWillis View Post
    I still want the WALL or a mine field.
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    IMHO it wouldn't matter if they quadruple the amount of LE on
    the border, until there's a wall with dedicated choke points of entery
    its still like plugging a dike with your finger.
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    A step in the right direction. While I agree with the others that it is not enough, it's a start. The harder we make it, the better IMO.
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    It is a big step forward. At least the problem isn't being totally ignored and the influx, and outflow of contraband too, are not completely ignored as in the past.

    The precise strategy and tactics, deployment of fence, choke points, camera, personnel, are best left to the authorities at ICE who are where the rubber meets the road. Let them do what they must so long as their procedures don't trample on our rights as free citizens.

    What is unfortunate about all of this is that we have ourselves to blame for a big part of the problem. We have encouraged illegal entry, we have hired illegals, we have consumed the drugs, we have sold the guns, and we have mostly failed --over about 12 years time-- to do almost nothing whatsoever as the problem escalated.

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    They are almost all here now...a wall will just keep them in...

    Time to clean the law-breakers out of the entire country...no exceptions.
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    I think if we put up signs that say "Welcome to Mexico" we could convince a lot of them they went the wrong way.
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    Beefing up security along the border is a step in the right direction.

    However, I am very skeptical of Napolitano's motives.

    I'm afraid that "The One" will say: "See, we've done what you asked. We've secured the border. Now it's time to grant amnesty to the 20 million illegals that are already here."

    We're going to have a HUGE fight on our hands.

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    Probably just another smoke screen by this Administration - try to make us feel good while they work to appease the Mexican Govt. If they really wanted to make a difference they would build the fence they promised and make E-Verify a permanent law - they are doing neither.
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    If anyone thinks that a fence is going to keep them out, maybe you have been drinking too much cool aid or smoking too much of their dope.

    Look at the cities along the boarder that have had fences for years, has it kept people from cutting holes in the fence or going over or under it, well no. What makes anyone think that a fence in the middle of nowhere is going to keep anyone out.

    More agents will help some, but as long as there is a demand for the people nothing is going to stop it. If we can't track down the folks that are in this country that have come here legally and overstayed their visa, how in the world do you track down the ones who are here illegally. In the past decades we haven't stopped the drugs, there really isn't any hope to stop the people any time soon.

    This is in response to the increase in violence by the drug lords in Mexico and an attempt to stop the violence from further spilling over into our country. Now if we were to take the troops that are pulled out of Iraq and place them along the boarder when they get back, we might have a chance at slowing the flow dramatically. But we all know that isn't going to happen.
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    Here's an example of why I believe Napolitano/Obama are bogus:

    Newsmax.com - Obama Curtails Successful Drug Interdiction Program

    Obama Curtails Successful Drug Interdiction Program

    Monday, March 23, 2009 10:50 AM

    By: Kenneth R. Timmerman

    The State Department has turned down an offer by the government of El Salvador to renew a joint drug interdiction program that allows the U.S. Navy to base P-3 maritime search aircraft at Comalpa International airport in El Salvador.


    The 10-year agreement, which went into force after the Salvadoran legislature approved it in 2000, is set to expire next year. The Office of National Drug Control Policy recently estimated that more than half of the drugs destined for the United States pass through the Pacific corridor patrolled by the P-3 aircraft based in El Salvador.


    “El Salvador has been our staunchest anti-drug ally in the region, outside of Columbia,” said J. Michael Waller, a Latin America expert with the Center for Security Policy. “This program was very well established. The Salvadoran government wanted to extend it for 10 years, and the State Department said no. What kind of insanity is that?”
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    Why are they changing the screening on the vehicles heading south? Shouldn't we be worried about what is heading north? I also agree, this may be a start but only a start. The wall that they should be building is also a part. And while walls are not the end all of protection they do help. The one Israel has built has reduced terror attacks, it works.

    Do you have a link to this info?
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    CNSNews.com - Feds Have Built Only 32 Miles of 700 Mile Double-Border Fence Originally Mandated by Congress

    Feds Have Built Only 32 Miles of 700 Mile Double-Border Fence Originally Mandated by Congress Thursday, February 12, 2009
    By Ryan Byrnes

    (CNSNews.com) - The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has built only 32 miles of double-layer fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border out of the 700 miles originally mandated by a 2006 act of Congress, according to the Government Accountability Office (GAO).

    One reason DHS has been able to do this is an amendment that Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R.-Texas) slipped into an omnibus appropriations bill that Congress passed on December 18, 2007. Hutchison’s amendment put a loophole in the fence law that allowed the secretary of Homeland Security not to build the fence Congress had mandated the year before.

    The Secure Fence Act of 2006 specifically ordered DHS to build two layers of reinforced fencing along 700 specific miles of the nearly 2,000 mile U.S.-Mexico border.

    “The Secretary of Homeland Security shall provide for at least 2 layers of reinforced fencing, the installation of additional physical barriers, roads, lighting, cameras, and sensors” along 700 miles of designated border areas, the Secure Fence Act said.

    Hutchison’s 2007 amendment neutered this language. It said: “Limitation on Requirements.--Notwithstanding subparagraph (A), nothing in this paragraph shall require the Secretary of Homeland Security to install fencing, physical barriers, roads, lighting, cameras, and sensors in a particular location along an international border of the United States, if the Secretary determines that the use or placement of such resources is not the most appropriate means to achieve and maintain operational control over the international border at such location.”

    According to a new report by the GAO, as of October 31, only 32 miles of the double-layer fencing envisioned by Congress in the original law had been built. Additionally, a GAO official told CNSNews.com he was not aware of plans to build any additional double-layer fencing.

    DHS has been building three different types of fences along the border. These include:1) single-layer fences designed to stop both pedestrians and vehicles, which the GAO refers as “primary” fencing, 2) double-layer fencing designed to stop both pedestrians and vehicles, which the GAO refers to as “secondary” fencing, and 3) barriers designed to stop vehicles, but not pedestrians, which the GAO refers to as “vehicle” fencing.

    The single-layer fencing, or primary fencing, consists of one eight- to ten-foot fence. Double-layer fencing, or secondary fencing, consists of a parallel pair of eight-to-ten-foot fences and is equipped with sensors and cameras. A patrol road runs between the two fences.

    “The double-border fence is what works,” Rep. Duncan Hunter (R.-Calif.) told CNSNews.com. “As long as you have Border Patrol watching that, no one is going to get over it.”

    Vehicle fencing consists of small posts of about three feet in height that may stop cars and trucks, but, according to Hunter, deters little else.

    “Those don’t stop people coming in,” said Hunter. “They probably wouldn’t stop motorcycles. They wouldn’t stop ATVs or anything else.”

    “[I]t is less expensive to construct vehicle fencing than pedestrian fencing,” says the GAO report says.

    “As of October 31, 2008, CBP reported that approximately 32 miles of secondary fence existed along the southwest border,” the report said.
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    Found the story on newsmax.com, did say something about south bound traffic but not northbound. We want to help the violence in Mexico, which I can support. But what are they doing to reduce the illegals and drugs heading north? I also wonder how much we are spending on all of this for our side of the border. From the story on newsmax.

    The U.S. Congress has already appropriated $700 million to help Mexican law enforcement and military -- including with five helicopters.
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