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    Too much pay....

    I just got this in an e-mail and just had to spread it on the table.......
    Subject: Military Pay
    >>
    >> This is an Airman's response to Cindy Williams' editorial piece in the
    >> Washington Times about MILITARY PAY, it should be printed in all
    >> newspapers
    >> across America .
    >>
    >> On Nov. 12, Ms Cindy Williams (from Laverne and Shirley TV show) wrote a
    >> piece for the Washington Times, denouncing the pay raise(s) coming
    >> service
    >> members' way this year -- citing that the stated 13% wage increase was
    >> more
    >> than they deserve.
    >> A young airman from Hill AFB responds to her article below
    >> He ought to get a bonus for this..
    >>
    >> "Ms Williams:
    >>
    >> I just had the pleasure of reading your column, "Our GIs earn enough" and
    >> I
    >> am a bit confused. Frankly, I'm wondering where this vaunted overpayment
    >> is
    >> going, because as far as I can tell, it disappears every month between
    >> DFAS
    >> (The Defense Finance and Accounting Service)and my bank account.
    >>
    >> Checking my latest earnings statement I see that I make $1,117.80 before
    >> taxes. After taxes, I take home $874.20. When I run that through the
    >> calculator, I come up with an annual salary of $13,413.60 before taxes,
    >> and
    >> $10,490.40, after.
    >> I work in the Air Force Network Control Center where I am part of the
    >> team
    >> responsible for a 5,000 host computer network I am involved with
    >> infrastructure segments, specifically with Cisco Systems equipment. A
    >> quick
    >> check under jobs for Network Technicians in the Washington , D.C. area
    >> reveals a position in my career field, requiring three
    >> years experience with my job. Amazingly, this job does NOT pay $13,413.60
    >> a
    >> year. No, this job is being offered at $70,000 to $80,000 per annum.
    >>
    >> I'm sure you can draw the obvious conclusions. Given the tenor of your
    >> column, I would assume that you NEVER had the
    >> pleasure of serving your country in her armed forces. Before you take it
    >> upon yourself to once more castigate congressional and DOD leadership
    >> for
    >> attempting to get the families in the military's lowest pay brackets off
    >> of
    >> WIC and food stamps, I suggest that you join a group of deploying
    >> soldiers
    >> headed for AFGHANISTAN ; I leave the choice of
    >> service branch up to you.
    >>
    >> Whatever choice you make, though, opt for the SIX month rotation: it will
    >> guarantee you the longest possible time away from your family and
    >> friends,
    >> thus giving you full "deployment experience". As your group prepares to
    >> board the plane, make sure to note the spouses and children who are
    >> saying
    >> good-bye to their loved ones. Also take care to note that several
    >> families
    >> are still unsure of how they'll be able to make ends meet while the
    >> primary
    >> breadwinner is gone
    >> Obviously they've been squandering the "vast" piles of cash the
    >> government
    >> has been giving them.
    >> Try to deploy over a major holiday; Christmas and Thanksgiving are
    >> perennial
    >> favorites. And when you're actually over there, sitting in a foxhole,
    >> shivering against the cold desert night; and the flight sergeant tells
    >> you
    >> that there aren't enough people on shift to relieve you for chow,
    >> remember
    >> this: trade whatever MRE (meal-ready- to-eat) you manage to get for the
    >> tuna
    >> noodle casserole or cheese tortellini, and add Tabasco to everything.
    >> This
    >> gives some flavor. Talk to your loved ones as often as you are
    >> permitted;
    >> it won't nearly be long enough or often enough, but take what you can get
    >> and be thankful for it. You may have picked up on the fact that I
    >> disagree
    >> with most of the points you present in your opened piece.
    >>
    >> But, tomorrow from KABUL , I will defend to the death your right to say
    >> it.
    >>
    >> You see, I am an American fighting man, a guarantor of your First
    >> Amendment
    >> rights and every other right you cherish. On a daily basis, my brother
    >> and
    >> sister soldiers worldwide ensure that you and people like you can thumb
    >> your
    >> collective nose at us, all on a salary that is nothing short of pitiful
    >> and
    >> under conditions that would make most
    >> people cringe. We hemorrhage our best and brightest into the private
    >> sector
    >> because we can't offer the stability and pay of civilian companies.
    >>
    >> And you, Ms. Williams, have the gall to say that we make more than we
    >> deserve? Rubbish!
    >>
    >> A1C Michael Bragg Hill AFB AFNCC
    >>
    >> IF YOU AGREE, PLEASE PASS THIS ALONG TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE AND
    >> SHOW
    >> OUR SUPPORT OF THE AMERICAN FIGHTING MEN AND WOMEN.
    >> THANK YOU.
    In God we trust all others pay cash

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    This has been floating around the web for a few years.
    False.
    snopes.com: Cindy Williams Military Pay Criticism
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    False or not it is still well said.

    It is amazing how the Hollywood liberals "know" so much about something they have never experienced.

    When I joined up in 1979 my basic pay was $419 a month. It looks like it hasn't gone up much in 30 years.

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    When I enlisted in December 1966, my pay was so low that I actually felt poor.
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    False or not it needs to be spread as the intent is the same. Thank God for some of the Hollywood people like Gary Sinise and others like him who get it and support our troops.
    "Don't hit a man if you can possibly avoid it; but if you do hit him, put him to sleep." - Theodore Roosevelt

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    It doesn't need to be spread because it's being attributed to someone who didn't say it.
    And it has been spread for the past 8 yrs.
    Spreading a false story does not lend any credibility nor help to the cause.
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    How can something false possibly be well said? And yes, our military folks apparently do get paid enough. If they didn't, there would be a shortage. This is basic economics.

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    Only the attribution is incorrect. Apparently another "Cindy Williams" wrote the original piece and the airman's response is accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agentmel View Post
    How can something false possibly be well said? And yes, our military folks apparently do get paid enough. If they didn't, there would be a shortage. This is basic economics.

    Mel
    well paid is something we don't get. Most stay in for the benifits that can not be gotten by most companies. Toby Keith said it in his song an American Solider(I don't do it for the money, there's bills that I can't pay) and you know that is the truth I have been in for 16 years and each month I have to decide what bills get paid, if you want to look at what I get paid here is the link to our pay http://www.dfas.mil/militarypay/mili...yPayTables.doc
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    Quote Originally Posted by highvoltage View Post
    Only the attribution is incorrect. Apparently another "Cindy Williams" wrote the original piece and the airman's response is accurate.
    Apparently??? There's no "apparently" to it. The Cindy Williams it was attributed to wasn't the one. That's a known. By repeating such misinformation only maligns someone unjustly. Read her response at the bottom of the Snopes page. She's a supporter of the military. Why would you or anyone want to denigrate a supporter? That sure won't help anyone's cause. You'll not only lose the supporter but you'll also not gain any support because they recognize it as spreading false information about someone.
    In addition even the original version has been morphed thru the past 7+ years depending on who is spreading it.
    Stick with facts and you'll get more support. Spread one lie and you'll lose any support, or hope of support.
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    There are two distinct and opposite views which one can hold on the issue of pay (and benefits) for service members.

    1) It is generally too little and inadequate.

    2) We have had participants in this forum who would take the position that Uncle shouldn't pay a dime more than is absolutely necessary to recruit--enlistment being a free choice in a free labor market. No one is forcing anyone and if they can do better, then by all means.

    I am inclined to the first of these two views, that We need to do better by our service members. But then, I await the howls from those who don't want to pay their taxes.

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    Now that I think about it, the fact that they are enslaving (involuntarily extending) some would lead one to believe that they aren't paying them enough to stay.

    At the risk of extreme unpopularity, I would take the view that Uncle Sam shouldn't pay them a dime, period. Let the market provide defense.

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    Wow...PT Barnum was right!!

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    By pay alone, they don't make enough...

    With their benefits added in... It really is a toss-up.

    If I had the bennies the military has, even making as little as I do, I would be very well off...

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    No adequate compensation

    Quote Originally Posted by KG4ZRC View Post
    By pay alone, they don't make enough...

    With their benefits added in... It really is a toss-up.

    If I had the bennies the military has, even making as little as I do, I would be very well off...
    There is no adequate compensation for sitting on a stinking ship for 6 months; moving around the country every few years or more often; the destruction of family life and the inconsiderate burdens "the pentagon" places on the families of service members.

    There is no adequate compensation for the sort of outrage that was in the news a week or two ago where the military demanded a woman report for duty though she had already been discharged, and then refused to cancel the order because there was no one to take care of the kids. The attitude that "they own you" for years on end is ridiculous and needs legislative overhaul.

    "Stop loss" and "reserve" issues secretly buried within the enlistment contracts are an outrage. No one can be adequately compensated for putting up with that stuff.

    If it weren't for the fact that this is all done by Uncle, by the military,
    it would be thoroughly repudiated by the courts as abusive conduct bordering on slavery.

    Folks in the military give up too much, and don't get enough in return, and they get too many broken promises as well.

    Some just don't want to pay the taxes needed to do it right.

    I'm always amazed by the "faux patriotism" of the "hawks" who from the other side of their mouth pass legislation like the stuff that keeps military members and their families from suing for medical mistakes made by military physicians---but then proclaim that they support the military man. Yeah, really.

    We can do better by our service members.

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