Could Have Been Worse: Suspect Grabbed Detective's Gun, Shot Detective Then Self

Could Have Been Worse: Suspect Grabbed Detective's Gun, Shot Detective Then Self

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    Could Have Been Worse: Suspect Grabbed Detective's Gun, Shot Detective Then Self

    This happened practically in my neighborhood. Aren't LEO's supposed to be unarmed when transferring suspects?

    POLICE: SUSPECT GRABBED DETECTIVE'S GUN, SHOT & INJURED DETECTIVE, THEN KILLED SELF; SEE VIDEO, PHOTOS

    A three-hour standoff at the Dutchess County Sheriff's Office ended when the suspect shot and killed himself, police said.

    In a press conference this evening, the Dutchess County Sheriff's Office said an investigation was ongoing into the standoff , which left one detective injured from a grazing gunshot. The detective was treated and released from Saint Francis Hospital.

    The sheriff's office refused to release the name of the detective or the suspect, citing the ongoing investigation the office is conducting. The Journal learned the suspect was Ken-Tweal Catts, 30.

    Catts was a level-three sex offender. He was described as a black Hispanic who was six feet tall, 172 pounds with black hair and brown eyes, according to the New York State Department of Justice Web site. His last reported address was a hotel in Hyde Park.

    Catts entered a guilty plea on January 27, 2004 for first-degree sexual assault, a felony. Catts had told Dutchess County Court Judge Thomas J. Dolan that he touched a 17-year-old woman and forced her to touch him in an apartment building on Main Street in 2002. On March 11, 2004, he was sentenced to two years in state prison.

    Catts was brought into the Dutchess County Sheriff's Office for questioning in an alleged sexual offense case. He was scheduled to be arrested and arraigned, the sheriff's office said.

    Two detectives were in the room for the interview, which was wrapping up, when a struggle ensued. Catts grabbed a detective's gun and fired, the sheriff's office said.

    “While being prepared for arraignment, the suspect attempted to escape and struggled with a detective, gaining control of the detective’s weapon,” Sheriff Butch Anderson said in a prepared statement.

    Undersheriff Kirk Imperati said the gun was a 40-caliber semiautomatic pistol.

    The man then barricaded himself in an unoccupied office. About three hours later, Imperati said, members of the sheriff’s Emergency Services Unit heard a gunshot, entered the office and found the man dead on the floor.

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    It sound as if it was not a transport, but an interview. Most departments, as far as I know, do not require officers to be disarmed while transporting. There are too many things that can go wrong between point A and point B.

    It would be interesting to know exactly how this happened.

    Most departments that I am aware of, mostly on the Left Coast, require officers to be disarmed during interviews with suspects, to later avoid a false claim of intimidation. Not a matter of law, but one of department policy. I've had several defense attorneys try to make a point out of whether I was armed while interviewing their poor innocent client, frightening him into confessing to the crime he did not commit. (Yeah, yeah. What-ever.)

    All jails require deputies / officers to be disarmed within their walls, which is the law in most (if not all) states.

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    very fortunate defective, I mean detective

    this highlights weapon retention and not letting your guard down
    I wonder what type of holster he was using?
    sadly IMO, I see too many of our detectives wearing level 0 or 1 snap holsters
    it will be interesting to see what is said about the detectives holster and if it was way too easy to grab the weapon from it
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    Update & Additional Info

    Investigation begins in standoff | PoughkeepsieJournal.com | Poughkeepsie Journal

    ... The detectives were in plainclothes and carrying either model 22 or 23 .40 caliber Glock semi-automatic handguns. The guns were in side-holsters attached to their belts with a snap across the top, he said.

    The incident occurred while the detectives were preparing to take Catts to court for arraignment. He had been notified that charges of first-degree rape, a class B felony, and second-degree unlawful imprisonment, a class A misdemeanor, would be brought against him, he said...
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    Was the BG cuffed? Was he under arrest at the time?

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    I am happy he checked himself out and he can't hurt another person.

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    If officers are unarmed while transporting/transferring prisoners, what is to stop fellow gangsters from "rescuing" the the prisoner? Indeed, transports and transfers are some of the most dangerous things LEOs do. Danger from the prisoner, and danger from outside.

    In a perfect world, if I ran an LE agency, guys doing transports would have level three retention holsters. Each prisoner would be escorted by two officers, one a righty, and one a lefty, so the officer on each side of the prisoner could have his gun side away from the prisoner. At least one additional officer would walk behind the prisoner, to deal with escape attempts. Like I said, in a perfect world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rexster View Post
    If officers are unarmed while transporting/transferring prisoners, what is to stop fellow gangsters from "rescuing" the the prisoner? Indeed, transports and transfers are some of the most dangerous things LEOs do. Danger from the prisoner, and danger from outside.

    In a perfect world, if I ran an LE agency, guys doing transports would have level three retention holsters. Each prisoner would be escorted by two officers, one a righty, and one a lefty, so the officer on each side of the prisoner could have his gun side away from the prisoner. At least one additional officer would walk behind the prisoner, to deal with escape attempts. Like I said, in a perfect world.
    In a perfect world?
    This molester (as with all molesters) would/should have his 'twins' nailed to a tree stump and then get pushed over backwards...for starters...then he'd be bound and dumped in a gator swamp.
    Do I sound a bit harsh? Hey, in a perfect world...I'm just sayin...
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    In a perfect world?
    This molester (as with all molesters) would/should have his 'twins' nailed to a tree stump and then get pushed over backwards...for starters...then he'd be bound and dumped in a gator swamp.
    Do I sound a bit harsh? Hey, in a perfect world...I'm just sayin...
    Yes, but you still have to transport him to just the right tree stump, conveniently near a gator swamp.

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    I'm glad the detective will be alright.

    I like those perfect worlds discussed here towards the bottom of this thread.
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    Wow. I used to live in Hyde Park.
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    Suspect took the express lane,saved the taxpayers a bucket of money!

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