Tracking the "Lone Wolf" Gunman: FBI Tripwires

Tracking the "Lone Wolf" Gunman: FBI Tripwires

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    Exclamation Tracking the "Lone Wolf" Gunman: FBI Tripwires

    'Lone wolf' terrorists elusive target for police

    AP Some of the first people enter the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington Friday, June 12, 2009.

    By DEVLIN BARRETT and EILEEN SULLIVAN, Associated Press Writers Sun Jun 14, 2:24 am ET

    WASHINGTON An elderly man enters a crowded museum carrying a rifle and begins shooting. A young man in Arkansas pulls the trigger outside a military recruiting office. Another man opens fire in a Kansas church.

    Three chilling, unconnected slayings in less than two weeks. One gunman was a white supremacist, one a militant Muslim, one a fervent foe of abortion.

    Each suspect had a history that suggested trouble. Each apparently was driven to act by beliefs considered by some as extreme. Each shooter fits the description of a "lone wolf" terrorist, a killer whose attack, authorities say, is harder to head off than if planned by a trained terrorist network.

    "It could be anyone. It could be the guy next door, living in the basement of his mother's place, on the Internet just building himself up with hate, building himself up to a boiling point and finally using what he's learned," said John Perren, head of the counterterrorism branch at the FBI's Washington field office.

    Perren described the difficulty of hunting a lone wolf suspect in an interview with The Associated Press just two days before white supremacist James von Brunn allegedly shot and killed a guard at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum.

    "The lone wolf is what concerns the Washington field office, what concerns the FBI the most," he said.

    Von Brunn had a criminal record and a Web site preaching virulent racism. Yet authorities say it is difficult to predict when someone will put down a laptop and pick up a gun.

    When investigating a terrorist network, FBI agents can often access e-mails, phone records and documents to build a case. In some cases, they can develop informants to penetrate the group and provide intelligence.

    But a killer acting alone rarely tells anyone what he's planning, let alone when or how. That makes it hard for authorities to determine who is prepared to commit a criminal act in furtherance of a perceived cause.

    Trying to counter that threat, the FBI has created what it calls "tripwires." These are programs that seek tips from businesses whenever someone buys significant amounts of materials that can be used to make explosives, or large amounts of weapons or ammunition. [Emphasis by ExSoldier]

    Such precautions seem to have worked in the case of a man who cleaned out his savings account in Utah and told the bank teller he was on a mission to kill President Barack Obama. The man, who relatives said suffers from mental illness, triggered a criminal investigation and he was eventually arrested.

    In Washington, the white supremacist von Brunn apparently skirted such tripwires by using a vintage rifle from the early 20th century. With that single, small-caliber gun, a museum security guard was killed before other guards opened fire and disabled von Brunn.

    The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks white supremacists, says the number of hate groups in the United States has risen 54 percent since 2000, fueled by opposition to Hispanic immigration and, more recently, by the election of the nation's first black president and the economic downturn.

    "Today the vast majority of domestic terrorist attacks are in fact lone wolf or so-called leaderless resistance attacks," said the center's Mark Potok. "There are very few ways to prevent them ... short of assigning a police officer to every person in America."

    The number of angry white men in America is getting larger, said Chip Berlet, senior analyst with Political Research Associates in Somerville, Mass., a think tank that studies right-wing extremists.

    In particular, the heterosexual, white, Christian men in America feel they've been pushed out of the way, Berlet said. Attacking the Holocaust Museum is a no-brainer, he said, because white supremacists blame Jews for the advancement of black people. "The idea that blacks are put in positions of power by crafty Jews is central to their conspiracy theory," Berlet said.

    Other experts contend the white supremacist climate has not changed much over the years.

    Charlie Allen, the former top intelligence officer at the Department of Homeland Security, said such hatred has been embedded in small parts of American communities. Under Allen's leadership, the department created an analysis branch that looked at extremist groups across the country.

    A department assessment of domestic extremism found about 2,400 white supremacist Web sites; 72 blogs; 30 mailing lists; 213 user groups and clubs; and 25 online racist video games.

    The agency says white supremacist organizations rarely publicly call for attacks.
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    Any type of lone killer has always been difficult for law enforcement to track down, just look at the cases of the Green River Killer and BTK, they both took years to catch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msgt/ret View Post
    Any type of lone killer has always been difficult for law enforcement to track down, just look at the cases of the Green River Killer and BTK, they both took years to catch.
    I'll bet it gets faster and easier with trip wires. Just imagine if the Congress lets the President have his way and use satellite imagery in surveillance of the ordinary populations. I'm afraid that things will get so "safe" it'll resemble USSR Moscow in no time at all.
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    "Lone Wolf" is what the $PLC inspired law enforcement calls it when they discover absolutely no so-called "links" to organizations or fellow conspirators.

    Von Brunn probably used a .22 rifle he'd had since he was 12 years old. But the AP calls this "skirting an FBI tripwire".

    If only he bought a couple tons of fertilizer and nitromethane... they would have caught him for sure! But that 88 yr old man with his NAZI website was too clever for them!

    The FBI couldn't stop the 1993 WTC bombing when they had an infiltrator INSIDE the conspiracy!

    All they can do is parrot the SPLC, in pointing a vague accusatory finger at "angry white males".

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    I call BS on this. There are plenty of normal guys out there who buy thousands and thousands of rounds all at once and have it all shipped to their door. There are tons of people who own guns and also buy lots of potassium nitrate to make model rocket engines out of, or for fertilizer, or as stump remover. These people are all well equipped to carry out whatever attacks they please. They're good people, so they don't, because normal people don't have the desire to kill their fellow citizens.

    I suspect that instead, they have some sort of surveillance program but they actually act on tips from informants and then attribute it to surveillance to maintain their confidentiality.

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    The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks white supremacists, says the number of hate groups in the United States has risen 54 percent since 2000, fueled by opposition to Hispanic immigration and, more recently, by the election of the nation's first black president and the economic downturn.
    Wow....kinda broad brush isn't it?

    Fixed the quote below...

    The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks white supremacists, says the number of hate groups in the United States has risen 54 percent since 2000, fueled by opposition to illegal immigration and, more recently, by the election of the nation's first black president and the economic downturn.
    So if I don't like illegal immigration...and buy lots of ammo...I'm part of a hate group?
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    The SPLC is always trying to drum up contributions with hysterical claims that "hate crimes" are on the rise.

    Other than outright hoaxes, like the Duke "gang rape", the vast majority of hate crimes I ever hear about are perpetrated by minorities.

    But that's "different".

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    I really don't know much about this Southern Poverty Law Center. Not to hijack, but are they like quoting the Brady bunch's facts and figures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geno View Post
    I really don't know much about this Southern Poverty Law Center. Not to hijack, but are they like quoting the Brady bunch's facts and figures?
    The SPLC has always been a cash cow for Morris Dees.

    He manages to convince thousands of contributers in NY and LA that there are millions of slack jawed militia members forming up under swastikas in the flyover country.

    He is always the "goto" guy when lazy jounalists want a snazzy soundbite about the "extremist militia movement".

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    I think of the Southern Poverty Law Center as a sort of regional version of the ACLU. They are about as far LEFT and as anti-freedom (especially anti-gun) as you are likely so see anywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGguy229 View Post
    So if I don't like illegal immigration...and buy lots of ammo...I'm part of a hate group?
    yes, the Dept of Homeland Security said so....remember?

    its even supported by your avatar

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    this whole tripwire thing would explain the vans with dark tinted windows down the block and the helicopters over my house
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    Quote Originally Posted by 64zebra View Post
    yes, the Dept of Homeland Security said so....remember? This whole tripwire thing would explain the vans with dark tinted windows down the block and the helicopters over my house
    just got my shipment of 1250 rounds of 9mm
    IIRC way back when Janet Reno was Attorney General she gave a speech wherein she said that an individual might be in line for "government intervention" IF they fit the following categories: Attended church more than one day a week or went to a Bible study. Believed in the Second Coming of Christ. Owned a gun and or believed in the 2nd Amendment as protecting the right to own a gun.

    THAT was the era of Bill Clinton. Think it might have gotten any worse?
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    Any type of lone killer has always been difficult for law enforcement to track down, just look at the cases of the Green River Killer and BTK, they both took years to catch.

    I'll bet it gets faster and easier with trip wires. Just imagine if the Congress lets the President have his way and use satellite imagery in surveillance of the ordinary populations. I'm afraid that things will get so "safe" it'll resemble USSR Moscow in no time at all.
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    I don't see this helping catch BTK at all. He was just too average until he wanted caught to get his moment of fame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICTsnub View Post
    I don't see this helping catch BTK at all. He was just too average until he wanted caught to get his moment of fame.
    You miss the point. The government (not any level,: local state or federal) is not interested in really catching any sort of traditional criminal, including serial killers. But wouldn't that kind of power and technology be just great for conducting surveillance on the general populace? Might catch some patriots engaging in anti-government activities.

    Remember the true purpose behind gun control has nothing to do with guns. It's all about CONTROL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier View Post
    IIRC way back when Janet Reno was Attorney General she gave a speech wherein she said that an individual might be in line for "government intervention" IF they fit the following categories: Attended church more than one day a week or went to a Bible study. Believed in the Second Coming of Christ. Owned a gun and or believed in the 2nd Amendment as protecting the right to own a gun.

    THAT was the era of Bill Clinton. Think it might have gotten any worse?
    its getting worse little by little, step by step
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