Positive LEO story - For those that think all cops are pigs

Positive LEO story - For those that think all cops are pigs

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    Positive LEO story - For those that think all cops are pigs

    I work at a small local gun/ammo/hunting supply shop here in North Florida. We host a "basic handgun safety" course offered to those who seek their concealed weapons license.

    Our instructor, we will call him "Bob", is a very highly trained member of Tallahassee Police Department, member of their SWAT team, department armorer, firearms instructor/training instructor at Pat Thomas Law Enforcement Academy among other military accolades.

    Bob dropped by today just checking in and told us of a situation this weekend where he charged a man with an open carry misdemeanor charge.

    The man charged was a professional football player in town for the weekend. Our instructor was helping the department on extra duty and was either called too or was patrolling the area of this local "bar" with other officers.

    One of the officers walked by the mans car and, through the glass, spotted two handguns, each simply stuffed between the seats and the center console. No holsters, not concealed with pistol butts up in the air for all to see. One, by the way, was a Kimber Pro Carry 1911.

    The officers went inside to get the owner of the car, which happened to be an expensive Bently, and brought him outside to explain the handguns. The man had a legal concealed weapons license for Florida, but, Florida statutes say the handgun must be securely encased and not ready for immediate use.

    Bob assured the man that he could make one phone call to the Department of Agriculture and have the mans weapons license suspended. He did not.

    The other officers wanted to take the weapons and put them in the mans trunk and not allow him to have them until he left the parking lot.

    Bob stopped them and told them that would be against this mans 2A rights.

    Instead of arrest, Bob issued a misdemeanor open carry citation, which I think is a $25 fine, and allowed the man to rearm correctly and conceal his weapons.

    I think this was well handled.
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    I would have thrown the book at him, how irresponsible is that having 2 weapons in the front seat up for grabs for all and sundry.

    People like this tool give careful law abiding CCW holders a bad name, and you wonder how criminals get their supply of weapons ?.
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    Some do & some don't Good seasoned LEO !
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    I think the LEO handled it very professionally. I think he deserves the Andy Griffith award. Seriously
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    I think the Officer was fair,I think the handgun owner was irresponsible and had anybody been looking to breakin to cars two more guns would of been on the street
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    Quote Originally Posted by heylin View Post
    I would have thrown the book at him, how irresponsible is that having 2 weapons in the front seat up for grabs for all and sundry.

    People like this tool give careful law abiding CCW holders a bad name, and you wonder how criminals get their supply of weapons ?.
    I also see that you are from New Zealand. We try to do things differently in America. We are actually allowed carry guns. I am not sure about the laws in New Zealand on carry.

    He just happened to not carry them according to the law, however, it was a minor infraction not worthy of full enforcement. It would have been an infringement upon his 2nd Amendment rights to do much more of anything to him for this infraction regardless of its possible consequences.

    Sure, someone could have seen the guns and busted out his windows to get them and that was "Bob's" major problem with this situation. Still, he was licensed and was not high or drunk nor was he causing a disturbance to anyone.
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    good job for the LEO
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    Quote Originally Posted by heylin View Post
    I would have thrown the book at him, how irresponsible is that having 2 weapons in the front seat up for grabs for all and sundry.

    People like this tool give careful law abiding CCW holders a bad name, and you wonder how criminals get their supply of weapons ?.
    I don't think I would have thrown the book at him but I really hope the officer read him the riot act about the stupidity of leaving guns in his car visible to potential bad guys.
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    Nice level head LEO, too bad the world doesn't have more folks like him that use common sense in situations like this....

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    What we don't know is the attitude of the offender. If the guy was humble and teachable, that could have led the LEO to slide towards grace. Had the guy been a jerk, no doubt the situation would have gone down differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tally XD View Post
    The officers went inside to get the owner of the car, which happened to be an expensive Bently, and brought him outside to explain the handguns. The man had a legal concealed weapons license for Florida, but, Florida statutes say the handgun must be securely encased and not ready for immediate use.
    I don't think it was well handled...but then again...I'm a Virginian. Was it foolish/stupid/dangerous to leave them out in the open...ABSOLUTELY...

    Though, please point me to the legislation that says someone with a Permit is required to have the handgun securely encased and not ready for immediate use if it's in a vehicle and the owner is not...I searched and couldnt find them.

    This one doesn't seem to cover it. It specifcally says "WITHOUT A LICENSE"....
    790.25 Lawful Ownership, Possession, and Use of Firearms and Other Weapons
    (5) POSSESSION IN PRIVATE CONVEYANCE.--Notwithstanding subsection (2), it is lawful and is not
    a violation of s. 790.01 for a person 18 years of age or older to possess a concealed firearm or other weapon
    for self-defense or other lawful purpose within the interior of a private conveyance, without a license, if the
    firearm or other weapon is securely encased or is otherwise not readily accessible for immediate use.

    Nothing herein contained prohibits the carrying of a legal firearm other than a handgun anywhere in a private
    conveyance when such firearm is being carried for a lawful use. Nothing herein contained shall be construed
    to authorize the carrying of a concealed firearm or other weapon on the person. This subsection shall be
    liberally construed in favor of the lawful use, ownership, and possession of firearms and other weapons,
    including lawful self-defense as provided in s. 776.012.
    790.001 Definitions.--As used in this chapter, except where the context otherwise requires:
    (17) "Securely encased" means in a glove compartment, whether or not locked; snapped in a holster; in a
    gun case, whether or not locked; in a zippered gun case; or in a closed box or container which requires a lid
    or cover to be opened for access
    Hmm...this one doesn't work. He wasn't carry it, by yours and the officers admission...it was in the car... So he wasn't open carrying...
    790.053 Open carrying of weapons.--

    (1) Except as otherwise provided by law and in subsection (2), it is unlawful for any person to openly carry on or about his or her person any firearm or electric weapon or device.

    (2) A person may openly carry, for purposes of lawful self-defense:

    (a) A self-defense chemical spray.

    (b) A nonlethal stun gun or dart-firing stun gun or other nonlethal electric weapon or device that is designed solely for defensive purposes.

    (3) Any person violating this section commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
    It doesn't seem to be in 790.01 or 790.06 either...
    Then again...That's why I'm not a lawyer...
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    Football players have been getting good treatment since high school. I wonder if the man wasnt a celebrity would he have gone to jail

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    That was nice of the officer to point out his mistake and get it fixed up before the guy had to file a police report for his missing property.

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