October 31st, 2011 05:10 AM
Much appreciated too
Originally Posted by 64zebra
I agree, and disagree. Yes, the kid screwed up in some ways, but one has to question your actions as well. Kids occasionally play with toy guns, but as a society in general, anything having the word "gun" in it, seems to be a problem for a whole heck of a lot of people. I'm not really certain how to express my thoughts here, but the boy made an error, and your preconceived notions almost got him shot for it.
The kid screwed up here not me.
I fully understand, and agree that you believe you were acting in your own best interests, and maybe you were. It's really a tough situation and I don't mean to sound like I'm passing judgement. Someone called in a MWAG call, and you apparently proceeded as if that was the absolute fact of the situation.
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November 3rd, 2011 06:37 PM
maybe I was acting in my own best interests????? I think its pretty clear I was acting to protect myself as well as the other kid that about 4 feet away from him, I have no idea how anyone could say maybe I was acting in my own best interests
Originally Posted by Bhamrichard
....my preconceived notions almost got him shot for it???? NO, what almost got him shot was HIM pulling a gun out of his pocket as I'm exiting my patrol car while staring at me with a 1000 yard stare with another boy sitting on the ground about 4 feet away from him....none of my 'notions' had anything to do with it
I didn't proceed as if that was the absolute fact of the situation based on the 911 call (and people can question my actions all they want)...BUT....if everyone looks at the totality of the circumstances as I did, and as I plainly typed out in the original post....call of kid with gun, the kid had the 1000 yard stare (indicator), stuck one hand in his pocket instead of both hands (indicator), kid on the ground 4 feet away, as I'm getting out of my car he DRAWS A GUN OUT OF HIS POCKET (HUGE indicator), that is what made me draw my gun and point it at him, not merely the 911 call
thats what I saw and had knowledge of and acted on
I detail this again because people don't understand or get it, some things are difficult to explain any other way, and some people will never understand because they haven't been trained for this and don't face this stuff everyday
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November 3rd, 2011 08:17 PM
Originally Posted by monsterbass
^^^^^^^^Because in some parts of this country, 11 year old kids are actually carrying REAL firearms, with the intent on killing someone.
Maybe not in Spokane, but here in the D, Not drawing on a youngster,whose flagrantly toting a gun around will get you killed.
Zebra, good thing you reacted in time.
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November 13th, 2011 04:30 PM
(Know this is an old thread, but I'll drop a comment anyway, in case anyone is around.)
I am dismayed by some of the commenters here who seemed to insist on misunderstanding the context involved. Those include monsterbass, Deuce13, maybe Blamrichard, and certainly a few others. If you guys are still around, this is for you:
It is always good to analyze officer's actions to see how to improve. No problem, there. There are always questions to examine.
But your comments seem to derive too much from emotion. I imagine your process was something like, "The kid was 11, how could it be his fault? 11 is so cute. It could have gone bad, though, so we want to blame somebody... so, let's blame the adult/authority/etc. We'll use our intelligence to figure out how to do that, instead of to better understand the events. It's easier.")
Look, it is problematic when someone with insufficient understanding of real life gets to make judgments without bothering to find out how things really work. It is sad when they then defend them in face of more educated opinions. It can be tragic when they get to make rules, as happens too often with politicians, for instance.
So, if monsterbass and some those posters have gotten some education here and decided to evolve their opinions a bit, then congratulations. If not, well, you missed a great opportunity.
To Zebra, thanks for saving that kid's life. Very cool that you ran in to him later, in such a way. Hope you stay out there for a while. Having folks like you on the streets is good for all of us. Be safe!
November 13th, 2011 10:23 PM
That makes sense to me. You did ok, Zebra; don't take those guys too much to heart.
Originally Posted by 64zebra
Considering those guys, though, I might ask them how it is that some people -- as you say, Zebra -- will never understand?
They seem unable to admit that they might not understand something outside of their experience, so they limit their own ability to understand. Sort of a "full tea cup" kind of thing. They don't see the problem with adhering to a version of reality that can only be maintained by taking refuge behind a warm, fluffy desk and stubbornly insisting that just what it is comfortable to imagine from that insulated perspective is enough to explain the world. That seems suspiciously similar to some psychological neurosis born out of deep denial, or unconscious fear?
Or I could be wrong. Just speculating. Heck, what do I know?
But anyway, Zebra, forget about them. There will always be people who don't know what they are talking about and insist on talking anyway. You can't help them all that much until they admit they have a problem.
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