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    Quote Originally Posted by monsterbass View Post
    So is everyone here in favor of taking away all toy guns from kids.? Thats what it sound like to me. No kid is safe with a toy gun? Are all you L.E.O.'s responding to this thread in your 20's? I know what year it is but, if thats how the police respond to kids playing with toy guns, i sure wont let mine play with them.
    Nope and you are still missing the point!
    Me, I am 49, married with a great daughter who owns 3 airsoft guns.
    I have been around guns since ealy childhood, starting shooting at age 12, shot competitively for a few years in my 20's, and I carry daily. I am not a LEO, and I don't play one on TV. However I am smart enough to know this is the real world we live in and bad things happen to good people.
    My daughter is new to guns, within the last year, we started with common sense and safety before she was ever allowed to even touch a gun of any kind, she now shoots along with my husband and I when we go to the range. She shoots her airsoft in the garage or on family property up north. She doesn't run around the neighborhood showing it off, or carrying it in her pants or pockets. She doesn't brag about it to her friends, they don't know she has one. She knows better, period.
    Letting a kid walk around in public with a gun is just not a good idea. Letting a kid run around in public waving or pointing a gun, even an airsoft is just asking for trouble. I hope I don't hear of your kid becoming another statistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rugergirl View Post
    nope and you are still missing the point!
    Me, i am 49, married with a great daughter who owns 3 airsoft guns.
    I have been around guns since ealy childhood, starting shooting at age 12, shot competitively for a few years in my 20's, and i carry daily. I am not a leo, and i don't play one on tv. However i am smart enough to know this is the real world we live in and bad things happen to good people.
    My daughter is new to guns, within the last year, we started with common sense and safety before she was ever allowed to even touch a gun of any kind, she now shoots along with my husband and i when we go to the range. She shoots her airsoft in the garage or on family property up north. She doesn't run around the neighborhood showing it off, or carrying it in her pants or pockets. She doesn't brag about it to her friends, they don't know she has one. She knows better, period.
    Letting a kid walk around in public with a gun is just not a good idea. Letting a kid run around in public waving or pointing a gun, even an airsoft is just asking for trouble. I hope i don't hear of your kid becoming another statistic.
    dont worry about my kids!!!!!!!1

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    My son grew up with a BB gun and an airsoft. If he ever pointed it at a person, he would have got his butt whipped.....and he knew it. I made it abundantly clear.

    We were very fortunate, however, to have lived out in the country.

    It's tough raising kids in town where they can get in so much more trouble.

    Out in the country, a kid can be a kid.

    I'm glad the situation turned out ok and I truly hope the kid learned a valuable lesson.

    It sounds like the parents did the right thing by taking responsibility.

    We teach our kids....whether we realize it or not. They learn from our actions. If the parents had blamed the cop and showed disrespect towards him....What is that teaching the kid? It's teaching him to NOT take responsibility for his actions. It's teaching him NOT to respect authority.

    I think there are some lessons in this thread for everyone who is a parent today.
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    At the checkpoint one day, I drew down on a 15 year old that had gotten out of a vehicle and was fumbling around for his Resident card. I told him to stop in English and then Spanish. Then looked at me and reached under the seat. When he looked back around he was looking down the barrel of my P2000. Scared him worse than it did me.
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    Its not like it used to be monsterbass. When I was in high school, we kept our shotguns in the rack of the pickup truck so that we could hunt when school was over. No one cared. No one got shot.

    Now, its a serious offense to do it and it will get one expelled with possible jail time.

    I grew up with cap guns and rifles that shot plastic bullets. Everyone had them, it wasn't uncommon for young ones to wear them to stores with their Moms.

    Now a days, a lot of kids cant even tell you who their Daddy is. Many have been brought up by one parent. They don't have the basic training that we got as kids. They don't have the manners or the respect that we grew up with and they dang sure don't have the common sense.

    Its not uncommon for cops to get shot by young gangbangin punks that could care less because they know they are juveniles and that they'll get out when they are 21. In just about every case, their Mommas will swear up and and down that they are good kids, model citizens.

    With the Police getting alerts that some guns have painted orange tips on them to fool people into thinking that they are harmless, you had better believe that any cop will take anyone with a gun very serious. Some of the air-soft guns are virtually indistinguishable from the real thing until you pick one up. Their are many groups of people that dress up in period costumes with the correct air-soft version and even they don't stand for the orange tip on the end of their gun.

    Yes... its a shame that times are like they used to be and things have come to what they are. Here is a fact,to stay alive, an officer must assume the worst, until he proves otherwise. When a call comes over the radio about a kid waving a gun around, you had better believe that it will be taken seriously.

    Sure, you might know that its just a kid playing with a toy gun, be we don't and we will lact accordingly. To do any less is not only dangerous, but stupid. Does it seem to be heavy handed at times? Sure it does, but that is where we are at today.

    Its pitiful, I agree, but it is what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monsterbass View Post
    Why would you shoot an 11 year old?
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    I dont know why you would draw on an 11 year old boy when some sheeple calls in and says some boys are carrying guns!!!!!!!

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    iM NOT TRYING TO GET UNDER EVERYONES SKIN HERE BUT, I WOULD BE PISSED OFF IF A COP PULLED A GUN ON MY KID FOR PLAYING WITH AN AIRSOFT GUN.

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    The Westside Middle School massacre was an incident of a school shooting that occurred on March 24, 1998, in Jonesboro, Arkansas, United States. A total of 5 people were killed; four female students and a teacher, and 10 were injured; nine students and one teacher. The perpetrators were two students, 13-year-old Mitchell Johnson, and 11-year-old Andrew Golden, who were shooting in an ambush style from the woods in camouflaged clothes.
    Come on Sir, the fact that you do not see or understand the reason for how the officer responded in the original post shows to some, a serious lack in understanding what the police officers have to deal with on a moments notice and without the benefit of knowing the background of the individual they are confronting. Be it a 35 year old man with a gun or an 11 year old with a gun in public.

    What the officer does know; is that 11 year old kids have killed many people with guns in the past! The Jonesboro, Arkansas incident is not an isolated incident, nor is it the only example of where adolescent or even pre-teenage children kill people using a firearm.

    For the average civilian, they see a horrific story reported on the news and are totally removed from the incident. Having no frame of reference into what a situation like that is truly like, the citizen views such events with an abstract sense of reality. Therefore, they talk about the "senseless tragedy" for a day or two, and then it is quickly forgotten.

    I can assure you, Law Enforcement officers do not have that luxury and do not forget those incidents, or brush them off so cavalierly. Especially if they have ever personally responded to such an incident.

    They do not respond to calls based on your views of how you see the world; or your judgment of what you think a child's intentions are; based on how you have raised your children.

    One of my pet peeves that really irk me are people who think they know everything about other peoples occupational hazards, or what their standard practices and procedures ought to be based on no direct knowledge or experience what so ever.

    I don't walk up on the scene where a painter has fallen 15 feet off a scaffold and go: "Well, no wonder you fell off this scaffold... you were obviously an idiot for using a #15 bristle paint brush. Everyone knows that a #15 bristle brush has extremely stiff bristles and has enough spring action as to cause you to lose your balance and fall off the scaffold. You should have been using a sprayer instead!"

    I make no claim to know what type of trenching tool a landscaper should be using when installing an underground irrigation system, but boy, everyone seems to know just how I should be performing my job as a Paramedic or how a Cop needs to do his job.

    I don't know about other LEO's here, but I'd like to think, like me in my occupation, we'd prefer people to just say "Thank You for responding to my crisis or situation. I had no idea how to handle this, which is why I called you in the first place!" And not tell us how to handle things once we arrive.

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    You want to stay alive? One has to do what one has to do...

    A 12 year old with a gun is an adult in my book...man, I hope I'm never in THAT situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monsterbass View Post
    dont worry about my kids!
    If you do have kids, then an inability to appreciate what 64zebra is saying can put them at risk. So, a bit of worry is a sign that we're concerned the message isn't getting through, and that your kids might well get put into a situation based on their ignorance of how the real world works.

    Read the thread in its entirety. Digest. Rinse, repeat. Better yet, have your kids read it as well, then discuss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monsterbass View Post
    So is everyone here in favor of taking away all toy guns from kids.? Thats what it sound like to me. No kid is safe with a toy gun?
    No, absolutely not
    I told the mom and kid on their front porch that when I was a kid I used to play with toy guns all the time, in front yard, up and down the street with buddies, etc. We played "war" "cops n robbers" etc up and down the street with no problems. That is still possible today in some places if the kids obviously look like they are playing. But in my case the kid didn't look like he was playing

    Quote Originally Posted by monsterbass View Post
    Are all you L.E.O.'s responding to this thread in your 20's? I know what year it is but, if thats how the police respond to kids playing with toy guns, i sure wont let mine play with them.
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    Just curious.
    Did the Airsoft have the Blaze O Tip or had it been removed?

    AKA - ALL AIRSOFT GUNS ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO HAVE THE TIP 1/4 INCH OF THE BARREL PERMANENTLY COLORED BY ORANGE BLAZE.
    BTW Glad that everything ultimately worked out OK.
    If you painted the muzzle of a real gun orange you could get the first shot off. What kind of idiot would believe an orange muzzle?
    I don't have the stories here, but we were informed that some dirtbags are actually painting the end of their real pistols to simulate the orange tips now. I can't type here what I think of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99
    You want to stay alive? One has to do what one has to do...
    A 12 year old with a gun is an adult in my book...man, I hope I'm never in THAT situation.
    To say it sucked is an understatement that doesn't even come close
    I told the kid to think about me or another officer having to come here to his house and tell him mom that we just shot your son, that almost sent him into hysterics of crying and he couldn't talk

    Quote Originally Posted by monsterbass
    dont worry about my kids!
    sorry, but thats the whole reason I started this thread in the first place..........to protect and serve
    if one parent reaches one kid with the info and keeps them from getting in this situation then GREAT
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    64zebra, and all the other officers/deputies/LEOs here,

    Thank you. I cannot imagine the agony of having to go home after shooting a child, whether s/he deserved it or not.

    This boy needed a good lesson. Hopefully he learned it. It could well save his life. Thanks for being there.
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    Some of these kids that are 11 years old look like they are 19 these days.
    I don't know what they have added to the Ovaltine.

    Juvie is filled with 11 year old kids that that have committed some pretty serious crimes including burglary, rape, armed robbery, auto theft, carjacking, and murder. Just FYI.

    It's a changed world.

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    Interesting thread, and I want to add my appreciation to Zebra for the situation he encountered. Talk about nerve-wracking. I'm 36, and played with toy guns throughout my childhood. Even had a BB gun and engaged in some very ill-advised bb gun wars with others when I was 12 or so. Unlike alot of y'all, I didn't have a dad who taught me about gun safety, but I just remember "knowing" what to do and not to do with a toy gun. Which brings me to airsoft......

    The toys me and friends played with looked NOTHING like the airsoft guns of today. Nada, zilch, zero. You could spot a toy from a mile away in 1985. Perhaps my memory is faulty, but we just didn't have exact replica guns. The might have existed, but nobody I knew had 'em. I live in a nice, small neighborhood that has lots of airsoft players, and it does unnerve me a bit. I know most of the kids and they don't bother me, but I'm scared to death they'll inadvertently get themselves in a situation similar to this 11 yr old. There's been talk in my county of outlawing pneumatic guns, which would include airsoft, but it gets alot of opposition. It's one of the few areas in which I might disagree with the VCDL. Maybe I'll do some more research in light of Zebra's post. Anyway, sorry you had to deal with that.

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    It's fairly common knowledge nowadays that cops do not know whether the toy gun you're playing with is a real gun or a fake one.

    That is the parent's fault more than anyone's. They should teach the kids from an early age that a police officer's words should be obeyed immediately and without question. The kid threw the gun down first, to pretend like it wasn't his. Should know better...

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    And soooo...... I'm walking around OC and some sheeple call in ..... and you pull up and I've got a gun on my hip. So ?

    I understand the "pulling part", that's what you are reacting to.... as you don't know what someone will do after that. However, I disagree with your 'almost shooting' part and I HAVE been in those situations. IF they are young, most will not instantly be pulling and shooting. There could be that once in awhile case. Most Juvenile murders are specifically directed at a given person or persons, and believe it or not... do not often carry it over to anyone else. They do not often "run", as they have no place to go and know it and they rarely 'pull & shoot'. Even if they do, they are terrible shots .... LOL. Now, if you were talking a 15-18 yr old, that's a whole different matter.

    I hope you used the words "do not move your hands" and surprising them is not necessarily a good thing at all. You coming out of your car and pulling a gun immediately & pointing it in their direction with no indicated threat ... well.... we could debate that one. You probably scared the heck out of them and aged them 3 yrs right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagleks View Post
    And soooo...... I'm walking around OC and some sheeple call in ..... and you pull up and I've got a gun on my hip. So ?
    If what you're doing is hard to distinguish from dangerous activity, then you're going to get called on it. If it's hard to tell the difference, you should be.

    Sadly, as we know, folks who OC get called on as well, but that is strictly out of ignorant fear than a suspicious situation. But then, clearly OC'ing is NOT a criminal activity, nor does it do even a minor impression of one.

    Data Point: About 10yrs ago, I was driving along a busy street two-lane when I saw a group of 4-5 kids in the ~17yr old range who were slowly making their way up the sidewalk near the next corner. One of the kids had a firearm (airsoft, real one, whatever). At every third or fourth car passing by, the idiot would very realistically draw down on the car, aim at the driver, then mimic firing a shot at the driver. It was so realistic, it was scary. Needless to say, numerous drivers called it in. I don't know whether the LEO's found the kids, or what the outcome was. This was an example in need of being quickly and successfully halted. God knows whether that was a real gun, whether it was loaded, whether those schmucks could have sustained meeting legitimate CHL's carrying further up the street ... And, such a situation is CLEARLY different than minding one's own business while OC'ing down the street.
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