I almost shot an 11 year old boy
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September 24th, 2009 05:11 PM
Thank you for sharing that 64zebra... Time are for sure different now,...
September 24th, 2009 06:41 PM
Zebra, I think some are just trying to flame you, if not they are just having trouble with comprehension. Don't let a couple ruin your day, if your ever in the land of NY I'll buy you a frosty mug of whatever you want.
Originally Posted by 64zebra
For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the son of man be. Mathew 24:27
September 24th, 2009 07:38 PM
So do I (CHL), but let's ensure we're making an apples-to-apples comparison.
Originally Posted by monsterbass
IMO, it's irrelevant. You're not an LEO in the process of responding to a call about "man with a gun." Big, BIG difference.
I, too, am "merely" a CHL citizen who would act differently in a situation where I see someone with a gun ... toy or otherwise. I'll be there, on the scene, and I'll be able to evaluate for myself what I've just seen over the course of the next few dozen seconds. I'll be able to identify the trend of actions and see whether that brief sighting was what it appeared to be, or was nothing to worry about.
Inbound cavalry, however, do not have the luxuries you imagine, nor the luxuries I would have myself, on-scene.
But here's the thing, and it cannot be ignored: If I have just gotten the attention of someone and the first thing I witness is a gun in the hand as the person turns and makes like I'm about to be targeted, you can damn well bet I'm going to take immediate precautions on the chance that it is what it appears to be at that moment. Why? 'Cause time is short, bubba. If it's real, than a bullet could come in a second or two.
However, already being AT a place and having seen the potential "perpetrator" for awhile, I can be fairly certain that the person isn't a threat. I would laugh if told at that moment the person had been called into police as a "man with a gun." Being there, myself, I'd no such a call to be patently false, when asked if that call applied to this person I had been watching.
Inbound cavalry doesn't have that luxury.
In this specific situation as posted by the OP, the guns were drawn, yes, but the kid wasn't body slammed, cuffed and stuffed, and hauled into the booking room before it was all called a mistake. Within moments of the situation clarifying itself, the LEO was successfully able to make the distinction between a threatening "man with a gun" and a surprised-as-hell pre-teen that was merely caught in a very bad crossfire of mistaken opinions about what he looked like. Moments later, everyone was safe and knew it, though the dressing-down had just begun. Hopefully the learning continues, 'cause these sorts of mistakes are life-and-death type things. You can only screw them up once. There aren't any "do overs." That goes for everyone.
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September 24th, 2009 07:43 PM
Zebra, thanks for doing what you do. If you ever get up this way 1st one is on me.
September 24th, 2009 09:00 PM
It is applicable in My opnion,
Originally Posted by Janq
How would you react to someone with a gun at the mail?
It's just a question nothing more nothing less.
Altho I would have figured you would have known better than
to clear your home alone. So If that bump in the nite would have been
the 11 YO in question what would have happend?
and no it's not My job to save the world, just Myself and mine.
September 24th, 2009 09:05 PM
That would be a scary situation.
I am not far off of being that age. When we were younger paintball was all the rage. Most paintball markers don't look anything like a real weapon but we still used to carry all the gear in backpacks or duffles until we reached the wood's, then we would stop and gear up assemble guns ect. split off and go to town. The police in my town were very understanding and one officer even thanked us for the duffles one day.
My condolences to you and the other officer in your squad, I can only imagine that scenario has run through your head a couple times with every what if you can imagine. Talking to the school security and resources officers was a very good idea in my opinion and a step over and above my kudos.
September 24th, 2009 09:15 PM
Things aren't the same as twenty years ago.
Where are the parents of this kid and why aren't We questioning
their ablity to raise kids.
I like guns and so does My family, We love to shooot together.
But that in it's self dosen't let Me think that My children should be
running around with toys that could get them killed by BG's or GG's,
(NO billy you can't take your very real looking gun to the park and scare the crap out of your friends or enemys)
I wonder what would happen moment(little billy ponders)as he carrys
his toy to the park.
September 24th, 2009 09:31 PM
At the "mail." I'm assuming you mean at a "mall" of stores.
Originally Posted by Leopard125
For me, any response of mine depends on the nature of being "with a gun" and whether there's a direct threat to me and mine. It'll be highly dependent on the circumstances.
I don't get the willies around firearms very easily. I grew up at a time when one or more kids carrying BB guns and similar items was common. In a mall, that's a bit strange, these days. So, certainly, I would be far more aware the moment that was seen. As with anything, any response depends on circumstances.
I'm no cop. I'm not mall security. I'm a citizen looking to survive the day. Whatever helps achieve that is what will be done.
If someone draws on me, though, that's a horse of a different color. Then, it is HIGHLY likely I will be taking precautions. "At the mall" or anywhere else, irrespective of size/shape/color of the perp(s). Same as always.
I question my ability to direct kids, often. I question the ability of others to raise kids, as well, on a daily basis. Many folks give plenty of clues as to their inability or failings. Particularly when it comes to simple security/safety steps, most folks don't have a clue. Often when it comes to common sense with how to safely and effectively interact with others, many don't have a clue. A lot of people seem to be winging it. I was very fortunate to grow up amongst a smart and aware group of adults who taught us sensibly and well.
September 24th, 2009 10:54 PM
Zebra you did well. Stay safe and don't let this incident affect how you respond the next time.
I am amazed at how many people on this forum actually get it. For the most part they have been very supportive and that is great.
As for the few who didn't - you are wasting your time trying to explain to them. The life and death decisions that a LEO must make in a split second are as foreign to them as and television would be to a cave man.
September 25th, 2009 12:07 AM
People, this guy is just trolling you trying to get a reaction. He knows better, and is working you up. Don't waste your time with this guy.
September 25th, 2009 04:19 AM
I have refrained from posting in this thread, but not of being supportive of those that matter.
Mr. Zebra, I'm glad you're OK and that things turned out the way they did. The first Iced Tea is on me bro'.
September 25th, 2009 08:58 AM
Every criminal as far as I know started off as a baby. If you were in the same situation tell me you wouldn't shoot to save your life. Dead is dead and it doesn't discriminate by who's pulling the trigger. Way to interpret the situation Zebra. Glad everyone went home safe. Hopefully the parents will take the hammer to the air soft. My kid wanted one and my reply was "What for?" He's still waiting.
Originally Posted by monsterbass
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.
September 25th, 2009 09:11 AM
I think you are completely wrong but that is all. If that kid had a real gun and evil in his heart, not having pulled his weapon, we would have had a different posting from Zeb's family. That is all.
Originally Posted by vica153
"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." - Ayn Rand
NRA Member / Ohio Conceal Carry Instructor
September 25th, 2009 10:42 AM
which guy are your referring to ?
Originally Posted by dnowell
Certified Glock Armorer
"I got a touch of hangover bureaucrat, don't push me"
Independence is declared; it must be maintained. Sam Houston-3/2/1836
If loose gun laws are good for criminals why do criminals support gun control?
September 25th, 2009 10:54 AM
I am sure he is talking about the guy with the 9 post count. MB
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