This is a discussion on I almost shot an 11 year old boy within the Law Enforcement, Military & Homeland Security Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by Leopard125 It is applicable in My opnion, How would you react to someone with a gun at the mail? It's just a ...
As to my home I did not 'clear' anything.
What I did was work my way _through_ it to get to and SECURE my family.
There is a big and significant difference there, which is not at all relevant to this thread here.
And no, I generally would not 'clear' my own home.
Why do that when I can simply leave it and have police do that high risk job for me?
If that big noise "BOOOM!", not just a minor 'bump', in the night had been an 11 yr. old who had as I suspected been amongst persons who had kicked in either of my doors...He'd have very likely been shot.
But that too is not at all relevant as that is no where near the situation as is being discussed in the OP (!).
Your question to dude wasn't fair as you changed the parameters of the events as they actually occurred, as you've done here, as they were being discussed.
He and we, you and me, are not law enforcement officers regardless of whether we all four including the OP are lawfully able to carry firearms.
Is to relevent
the poster was tring to relate 11 YO to a harmless victim,
we know that this is not alway the truth.
Have a nice day.
Whew it took a long time to read all 11 pages & iam surprised that after all that some people still just dont get it
Iam 30 & yes i grew up playing with all kinds of "toy" guns but unfortunately my 2 y/o son & infant daughter wont be able to play "cops & robbers" while running around the neighborhood with "toy" pistols. Due to events in todays society & how people now react to guns (for good reasons i may add) they will not be able to do that.
Now i do think paintball/air-soft in approved areas is not only good fun for kids but it secretly teaches them some tacticle training.
I will be (in fact i have already with Caleb) teaching them that gun's are NOT toy's
I will also be teaching them the importance of firearms & how to handle them safely (because they are not toys)
I have decided they will not have toy guns until they are of age & have they understanding about the difference between their paintball gun & real ones. Also not to be treating his/her paintball gun like a real gun (i dont want my child being the one in "64zebra"s story). Besides shooting is a good sport for families to be involved with.
We hope to do a good job with our children & raise them properly regarding firearms.
All parents must do that especially since how todays society is
Note to "64zebra" dont let people like "monsterbass" get to you, while iam not a LEO i do have people in my family in law enforcement & i do understand that how you react decides whether or not your children grow up with a father/mother. You DONT have time to fully analyze every situation every time nor will you have enough time to react (if your not already prepared too) when you need to save your own skin or John Q's......Good job & thanks
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They respond based on their training. And that training comes from lessons learned through the loss of countless officers lives.
Monsterbass, I have no doubt that your child, or the children of any of your friends would ever present a threat to a law enforcement officer, or anyone else with their "airsoft" guns.
But by the same token, I assume that you have never met an 11 year old killer or rapist in real life before either. I'm guessing you do not know anyone whose 12 year old was an arsonist who burned up 2 playmates in a fire he set to see what it would be like? I'm assuming that your best friend at work does not have a 13 year old son who took an 11 year old into the woods behind his house and caved his head in with a base ball bat because he didn't like the kid making fun of him.
Just because you've never had the opportunity to deal with children who kill or do heinous acts does not mean they are not out there.
Many police officers have given their life in decades past, finding out that the "kid with a gun" did in fact have a real gun and not a toy one when they were confronted by the officer.
It is unfair to chide a police officer for acting the way he has based solely on your own personal experience with the circle of children who surround your own personal life's experience.
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Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.
64 Zebra ... I am glad the person with the "gun" dropped his weapon and complied with your commands. I am glad you did not compromise officer safety by pre-judging a situation based on the suspects age,race,gender,sexual orientation etc. A person with a gun call is a serious matter and I think you handled it well.
I have been dispatched to a few similar calls and they can be frightening. My emotions went from one extreme (I am glad I didn't shoot the teenager with the real looking airsoft gun with no orange tip) to (did I cut this guy too much slack because of the age he appeared to be). What I learned was not to discriminate and react to the threat.
I think you did a great job and If you are ever in California drop me a line and let me buy you a beer.
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Although I'm very late coming into this thread, and can't comment on kids with Air Soft guns, I remember all too often of seeing an 8 year old girl toss a grenade into a jeep in Nam.
And it happened more than once, so kids are a danger to all of us just as grown-ups.
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Samuel Colt did"
I think all in all, the real lesson to be learned from Zebra is this. If you buy your kids a gun, teach them when, where and how to use it (play or not) so that they learn the correct way to handle a gun from a early age. Parents be responsible and check on the kids, know where they are, who they are with and what they are doing!!! Know who their friends are and be involved with them. Make good memories and hug them every day.
Zebra, you did a good job and it was very good to talk to the parents and the child so that they were educated.
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I know this is resurrecting a dormant thread....but I had to add an update....
I recently encountered the now 13 year old and his mother while off-duty. I immediately recognized him. No way I'll ever forget his face.
I casually said hi, and I could see by the look on mom's face she recognized me, but was having trouble computing it all. I assisted her by saying, "the airsoft gun at the school", and her expression changed dramatically as she immediately remembered. She hugged me and the kid shook my hand. They both thanked me.
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Another good ending...She hugged me and the kid shook my hand.
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