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    Thought that you might find this of interest.

    I received this from a friend today. The writer, a JAG (Lawyer) officer was a first person participant in what took place at the Soldier Readiness Center at Fort Hood on last Thursday. This is his personal account of events. When you read this understand it was written after a very long and very busy day. These are his words and phrasing.
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    What happened.

    Since I don't know when I'll sleep (it's 4 am now) I'll write what happened (the abbreviated version. the long one is already part of the investigation with more to come. I'll not write about any part of the investigation that I've learned about since inevitably my JAG brothers and sisters are deeply involved in the investigation).

    Don't assume that most of the current media accounts are very accurate. They're not. They'll improve with time. Only those of us who were there really know what went down. But as they collate our statements they'll get it right.

    I did my SRP last week (Soldier Readiness Processing) but you're supposed to come back a week later to have them look at the smallpox vaccination site (it's this big itchy growth on your shoulder). I am probably alive because I pulled a ---------- and entered the wrong building first (the main SRP building).

    The Medical SRP building is off to the side. Realizing my mistake I left the main building and walked down the sidewalk to the medical SRP building. As I'm walking up to it the gunshots start. Slow and methodical. But continuous.

    Two ambulatory wounded came out. Then two soldiers dragging a third who was covered in blood. Hearing the shots but not seeing the shooter, along with a couple other soldiers I stood in the street and yelled at everyone who came running that it was clear but to "RUN!" I kept motioning people fast.

    About 6-10 minutes later (the shooting continuous), two cops ran up. one male, one female. we pointed in the direction of the shots. they headed that way (the medical SRP building was about 50 meters away). then a lot more gunfire. A couple minutes later a balding man in ACU's came around the building carrying a pistol and holding it tactically.

    He started shooting at us and we all dived back to the cars behind us. I don't think he hit the couple other guys who were there. I did see the bullet holes later in the cars. First I went behind a tire and
    then looked under the body of the car. I've been trained how to respond to gunfire...but with my own weapon. To have no weapon I don't know how to explain what that felt like. I hadn't run away and stayed because I had thought about the consequences or anything like that. I wasn't thinking anything through.

    Please understand, there was no intention. I was just staying there because I didn't think about running. It never occur red to me that he might shoot me. Until he started shooting in my direction and I realized I was unarmed.

    Then the female cop comes around the corner. He shoots her. (according to the news account she got a round into him. I believe it, I just didn't see it. he didn't go down.) She goes down. He starts reloading. He's fiddling with his mags. Weirdly he hasn't dropped the one that was in his weapon. He's holding the fresh one and the old one (you do that on the range when time is not of the essence but in combat you would just let the old mag go).

    I see the male cop around the left corner of the building. (I'm about 15-20 meters from the shooter.) I yell at the cop, "He's reloading, he's reloading. Shoot him! Shoot him!) You have to understand, everything was quiet at this point. The cop appears to hear me and comes around the corner and shoots the shooter. He goes down. The cop kicks his weapon further away. I sprint up to the downed female cop. Another captain (I think he was with me behind the cars) comes up as well. She's bleeding profusely out of her thigh. We take our belts off and tourniquet her just like we've been trained (I hope we did it right...we didn't have any CLS (combat lifesaver) bags with their awesome tourniquets on us, so we worked with what we had).

    Meanwhile, in the most bizarre moment of the day, a photographer was standing over us taking pictures. I suppose I'll be seeing those tomorrow. Then a soldier came up and identified himself as a medic.
    I then realized her weapon was lying there unsecured (and on "fire"). I stood over it and when I saw a cop yelled for him to come over and secure her weapon (I would have done so but I was worried someone would mistake me for a bad guy).

    I then went over to the shooter. He was unconscious. A Lt Colonel was there and had secured his primary weapon for the time being. He also had a revolver. I couldn't believe he was one of ours. I didn't want to believe it. Then I saw his name and rank and realized this wasn't just some specialist with mental issues. At this point there was a guy there from CID and I asked him if he knew he was the shooter and had him secured. He said he did.

    I then went over the slaughter house. - the medical SRP building. No human should ever have to see what that looked like. and I won't tell you. Just believe me. Please. There was nothing to be done there.

    Someone then said there was someone critically wounded around the corner. I ran around (while seeing this floor to ceiling window that someone had jumped through movie style) and saw a large African-American soldier lying on his back with two or three soldiers attending.

    I ran up and identified two entrance wounds on the right side of his stomach, one exit wound on the left side and one head wound. He was not bleeding externally from the stomach wounds (though almost certainly internally) but was bleeding from the head wound. A soldier was using a shirt to try and stop the head bleeding. He was conscious so I began talking to him to keep him so. He was 42, from North Carolina, he was named something Jr., his son was named something III and he had a daughter as well. His children lived with him. He was divorced. I told him the blubber on his stomach saved his life. He smiled.

    A young soldier in civvies showed up and identified himself as a combat medic. We debated whether to put him on the back of a pickup truck. A doctor (well, an audiologist) showed up and said you can't move him, he has a head wound. we finally sat tight.

    I went back to the slaughterhouse. they weren't letting anyone in there. Not even medics. finally, after about 45 minutes had elapsed some cop showed up in tactical vests. someone said the TBI building was unsecured. They headed into there. All of a sudden a couple more shots were fired.

    People shouted there was a second shooter. a half hour later the SWAT showed up. There was no second shooter. That had been an impetuous cop apparently. but that confused things for a while.

    Meanwhile I went back to the shooter. the female cop had been taken away. a medic was pumping plasma into the shooter. I'm not proud of this but I went up to her and said "this is the shooter, is there anyone else who needs attention...do them first". She indicated everyone else living was attended to. I still hadn't seen any EMTs or ambulances.

    I had so much blood on me that people kept asking me if I was ok. But that was all other people's blood. eventually (an hour and a half to two hours after the shootings) they started landing choppers. they took out the big Africa American guy and the shooter. I guess the ambulatory wounded were all at the SRP building. Everyone else in my area was dead.

    I suppose the emergency responders were told there were multiple shooters. I heard that was the delay with the choppers (they were all civilian helicopters). they needed a secure LZ. but other than the initial cops who did everything right, I didnt' see a lot of them for a while.

    I did see many a soldier rush out to help their fellows/sisters. there was one female soldier, I dont' know her name or rank but I would recognize her anywhere, who was everywhere helping people. a couple people, mainly civilians, were hysterical, but only a couple. one civilian freaked out when I tried to comfort her when she saw my uniform. I guess she had seen the shooter up close.

    A lot of soldiers were rushing out to help even when we thought there was another gunman out there. this Army is not broken no matter what the pundits say. Not the Army I saw.

    Then they kept me for a long time to come. oh, and perhaps the most surreal thing, at 1500 (the end of the workday on Thursdays) when the bugle sounded we all came to attention and saluted the flag. In the middle of it all.

    This is what I saw. it can't have been real. But this is my small corner of what happened.
    Former Army Infantry Captain; 25 yrs as an NRA Certified Instructor; Avid practitioner of the martial art: KLIK-PAO.

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    Thanks, Ex, for the AAR.
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    what a testimony of courage in the face of live fire. The sad part is no one had the ability to fire back until the police arrived.

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    And there are those who loudly proclaim our military is staffed with dropouts and idiots trying to escape poverty. That account, while tragic, makes me more proud of my sons and their brothers and sisters in uniform. Thanks for the post and continued prayers for all of our brethren involved.
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    Nice to get a first hand report from one of your friends, ExSoldier!

    Sounds like incredible carnage. And lots of brave folks doing with they could during a horrific event.

    Personally, I'm glad the shooter lived! I get sick and tired of these low life's escaping justice by dying at the scene of their crime. In this case, he's under UCMJ and will not have a pleasant outcome!

    While I have absolutely no use for these scumbags and they really don't deserve to live, I don't think it's fair to have them wreck havoc and carnage and then die quickly in a hail of bullets and not have an opportunity to suffer later on.
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    Too bad nobody was able to rally and overrun him during the first few seconds. That's what I would have expected to happen.
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    For some reason the female leo is getting the credit for takin down the shooter. But there are eye witness accounts and the male officer himself even said in a phone interview that he was the one that took the shooter down.

    Now I am not trying to take anything away from the female but we keep hearing about her being the hero and have heard nothing about the guy who actually brought the shooter down.

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    Wink Training takes over...

    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    Too bad nobody was able to rally and overrun him during the first few seconds. That's what I would have expected to happen.
    With the exception of a linear form of a "near ambush" they are trained to take cover first and assess the situation. What if there had been a team of shooters? A rush to overcome one would've allowed the others to wipe out the attackers. They did exactly as they were trained. This was clearly not a classic "near ambush," and also remember that most of these soldiers weren't "infantry" (who're the only folks trained in the "near ambush reaction") but rather support branches like JAG (lawyers). Even when I was on active duty in the 1980s, ccw was forbidden on post.

    The female LEO will get the credit, that's the liberalism taking over. That's fine. Nobody in uniform cares. Anybody involved will still get covered in praise no matter what. They have an instant ticket for the promotion of their careers wherever they want to go in the law enforcement arena, civilian or military.
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    And there are those who loudly proclaim our military is staffed with dropouts and idiots trying to escape poverty.
    There's nothing wrong w/ trying to escape poverty that's exactly why I went into the military and I was a dropout. The Army was my way up in the world.

    With the exception of a linear form of a "near ambush" they are trained to take cover first and assess the situation. What if there had been a team of shooters? A rush to overcome one would've allowed the others to wipe out the attackers. They did exactly as they were trained. This was clearly not a classic "near ambush," and also remember that most of these soldiers weren't "infantry" (who're the only folks trained in the "near ambush reaction") but rather support branches like JAG (lawyers). Even when I was on active duty in the 1980s, ccw was forbidden on post.
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    Wrong. That's standard doctrine and everyone was taught it in PLDC when I was in. In todays battle field theres no such thing as a "support troop" just as there are no front lines. The standard reaction to an ambush is to attack and get out of the ambush zone. Taking cover just gets you pinned down and wiped out. The author of the AAR stated that he had no training what so ever in dealing w/ an ambush unarmed and as a result defaulted to his highest level of training he did nothing but take cover. Had he been armed I expect his reaction would have been much different.


    I received this from a friend today. The writer, a JAG (Lawyer) officer was a first person participant in what took place at the Soldier Readiness Center at Fort Hood on last Thursday. This is his personal account of events. When you read this understand it was written after a very long and very busy day. These are his words and phrasing.
    FWIW this isn't a private email it's from a blog and it's all over the internet it is also unconfirmed
    http://www.nowpublic.com/world/eyewi...ng-unconfirmed

    http://rofasix.blogspot.com/2009/11/...d-ft-hood.html

    http://forums.mysanantonio.com/forum...ounded_in_Fort
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
    Last edited by Treo; November 9th, 2009 at 09:26 AM. Reason: Added clarification

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    Interesting read. Thanks for posting
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