This is a discussion on Why can I not carry concealed in Uniform or on Post? within the Law Enforcement, Military & Homeland Security Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by scorpion12 How would a military person be out of uniform if theyr were carrying concealed? Concealed is concealed... and military members are ...
As far as the OPs original question/thought, it seems that several have noted the fact that we rightfully lose many of our normal "rights" when we enlist or are commissioned. I spent over 20 years in the USAF. For a military unit to be most effective, all must follow orders without question. Not being allowed to CC in uniform is just one of many things Active Duty personnel must accept. If you can't do that, you have the option to change your status from active duty to veteran.
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Our Second ammendment rights (or any rights for that matter) are something we sometimes have to sacrifice as members of the military community - we fight to defend and preserve democracy; we don't necessarily enjoy democracy while serving.
Not carrying on base is probably a base policy, but it may rest on Army Regs for support. Changing base policy may be accomplished with the assistance of your Command Master Sergeant. It will take time.
As for Army Regs perohibiting you from carrying concealed in uniform - I don't know, I'm not familiar with Army Regs (retired from another service - my regs were silent about this). However, it seems to me the most immediate solution, as unfortunate as it is, is to change into civies anytime you go off base unless you are engaged in official duties requiring you to be in uniform. Several years ago (after 9/11) my service suggested that uniforms be worned sparingly when off base off duty.
None of the foregoing is probably very satisfying - sorry. Thank you though for your dedicated service to this country - I for one would be out there with you if they'd let a slightly over weight grey haired man nearing 50 to come back in. God bless.
Glad you spoke your piece brother.
Of course the same can be said for Soldiers or frat boys..bad things happen and a friggin ignorant stereotypes start.
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I would go through your chain of command and ask permission to write the chairman of the armed forces committee in congress. I agree with you, if you are good enough to carry weapons to protect our country you should be able to carry them when you are in uniform. Anywhere.
OK I only read the first page. I am a 19yr AirForce E-7, I have yet to see a rule that says I can't carry concealed off base. If their is an AFI would someone please point it out to me. Thanks. Bryan
It seems to me that you hold the commander's right to CYA in higher regard than the soldier's natural, unalienable right to keep and bear arms.If a commander authorizes a subordinate to carry a weapon, and the subordinate does something inappropriate, that commander will be faulted.
If a commander does not authorize the subordinate, but the subordinate does something stupid with a weapon anyway, they probably won't fault the commander.
If there is an immediately foreseeable threat, and the commander does not arm the troops, he may be faulted against that.
In this situation, there was no enemy contact expected, so the commander will not be accountable for insisting the troops be unarmed.
The commander has no incentive to arm the troops, and every incentive to disarm them.
Remember, the right to keep and bear arms is not granted to us by the Second Amendment. The right to keep and bear arms is inherent in us as human beings. No one can justifiably take that right from us (until we attempt to violate the rights of someone else).
We created this government, and granted it some powers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
In the Bill of Rights, we declared to the government "These are OUR rights. Do Not Touch"
No President, Congress, Judge, or commander has the power to take away a natural and unalienable right.
I would go through your chain of command and ask permission to write the chairman of the armed forces committee in congress.
When the congress critter gets the letter he writes a letter to the military officer who is the liaison guy to congress. The military liaison officer puts the complaint into the chain of command of the service that the letter writer belongs to. The letter comes down the chain of command to the unit of the letter writer. The folks in the chain of command may not be happy.
The executive branch runs the US military. Congress and SCOTUS do not intervene in military matters of this nature.
Seems to me that with a hard-line stance, the knuckleheads would be handled much like any other criminal if they dared to lose their heads while carrying. Thirty years to life in Leavenworth or death by firing squad should be a reasonably stiff deterrent to repeat offenses.
I'm merely trying to explain the commanders' reasoning for the prohibition, and why under the current military culture the local policies will not change.
If there is to be a provision for servicemember carry for self defense, we will have to take the commanders out of the equation.
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I have read the thread in its entirety, but will not comment on previous posts. I will however give a scenario I just played out the other day.
After an uneventful OC trip to my local Wally World I returned to my house (Off Post) and figured out I needed to fuel up my other vehicle. I knew I wanted to go on post for fuel, but was carrying.
Knowing the rules I had 2 choices-
1- unload and clear my weapon and lock the pistol up away from the magazine IAW the federal transportation laws.
2- leave my weapon at my house while I ran on post.
(NOTE- I was in civvies)
I unholstered my weapon and headed on post with my holster still on my hip. I chose this due to random gate inspections and the chance that our civilian security forces might not be up to speed on the rules and regs of firearms transport. I have heard of an instance where Staff Duty was called because a soldier "had a gun" in his car. He was transporting it correctly and no action was taken against him, but I didnt want the hassle. I continued up to the Shoppette and got my fuel with my holster still displayed on my hip.
That was my silent protest. In civvies I was not "Out of Uniform" nor was I directly confronting any one or the CoC. I know you can transport firearms on post. I know you can register them and have them in your post housing here at FT Stewart. I dont see a need for me to carry while in uniform at work. I would like to be more free to transition from not carrying at work to carrying away from work considering some of our bases dont have the best of communities directly outside our gates. (Ft Bragg- Fayettnam, Schofield- Wahaiwa) I would also like to be able to carry OC or CC (either would be fine) while in civvies as I go about my business on a non duty day. Perhaps just being able to pass through the gate without the fear of being treated like a terrorist if they find a properly stored weapon.
I am a Staff Sergeant in the Infantry and I have a GFL. FWIW
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