U.S. to announce transfer of detainees to Ill. prison

U.S. to announce transfer of detainees to Ill. prison

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    Post U.S. to announce transfer of detainees to Ill. prison

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    U.S. to announce transfer of detainees to Ill. prison

    By Peter Slevin
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Tuesday, December 15, 2009

    CHICAGO -- Dozens of terrorism suspects being held at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, will be moved to a little-used Illinois state prison that will be acquired and upgraded by the federal government, an Obama administration official said.

    The critical step toward fulfilling President Obama's pledge to shut the Guantanamo detention center will be announced Tuesday, said the official, who reported that Obama has ordered the acquisition of the eight-year-old Thomson Correctional Center, about 150 miles northwest of Chicago.

    Obama made the move despite the objections of Illinois Republicans, who fear the transfer of prisoners -- some for indefinite detention, some for trial -- could make the state a target for terrorists. Rep. Mark Kirk has called the move "an unnecessary risk."

    In telegraphing the announcement, the official said closing the detention center at Guantanamo Bay "is essential to protecting our national security and helping our troops by removing a deadly recruiting tool from the hands of al- Qaeda."

    Preliminary administration calculations suggest that the 1,600-bed state prison, currently housing about 200 minimum security inmates, could be upgraded for Guantanamo detainees and other federal prisoners in roughly six months. One official described the intended security level as "beyond supermax."

    Before prisoners can be moved, Congress must vote to allow detainees to be housed on U.S. soil for reasons other than trial.

    The administration envisions the prison grounds in rural Thomson, close to the Mississippi River, as a place for prolonged detention and a site of future military commission trials.

    The offer to sell the prison to the federal government came from the village president in October. It quickly won the support of the Illinois Democratic leadership, including Gov. Pat Quinn and Senate Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin, who are scheduled to be briefed at the White House on Tuesday afternoon.

    Durbin estimated that the move from Guantanamo could create as many as 3,000 jobs.
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    While not on par with "Club Gitmo" I can't think of a place more "deserving" than the home of the POTUS and Sen. "Dick" Durbin.

    You have to wonder what kind of "promises" the feds made to the State of Illinois for this to happen. No place else in the world would take them so I guess his only hope to keep the promise to close Gitmo was to relocate them to his own back yard.

    Don't want to breach the politics ban but I can't wait to hear Robert Gibbs opine about "The 3000 new jobs the President's initiative will create by relocating the detainees from Gitmo to Illinois." Actually I can, I don't watch the WH press briefings.

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    Me thinks IL needs terrorist tags in case one of these guys escape....no bag limit.

    Seriously--what is Dick thinking? Why don't they stay in his house so he can deal with them?

    If there was ever a need for open or concealed carry in IL--this would be it. Better yet, make an "Escape from NY"-like wall around Chicago...drop the terrorists in there (along with all IL politicians north of I-80, east of I-39)...

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    Durbin estimated that the move from Guantanamo could create as many as 3,000 jobs.
    I'll credit Rush with this observation.
    If prisons bring jobs to the community, why are states like California turning prisoners out because of overcrowding? And the state says it can't afford to lock people up. How can this be?
    So, to stimulate the economy, might we incarcerate illegal aliens? Think how many jobs that would provide. How about drug offenders? More jobs to be created.
    The bottom line is this. Once the terrorists feet hit U.S. soil, they will be given Constitutional rights just as if they stole a TV. It should be full employment for trial attorneys for years to come.

    If the prison also houses common criminals, the terrorists will have a field day recruiting young, stupid, males, willing to become terrorists themselves.

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    Wink Maybe there is a bright side to this

    Maybe it will make it easier to get a CCW permit in that area.

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    How long after arriving until they can apply for "Green Cards"?

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    Forgive me for being ignorant . . .

    But if the issues surrounding GTMO are the abuse of the detainees and their "rights" how does moving them alleviate that problem? Doesn't the potential for abuse remain the same?

    Also didn't we just drop several million dollars into a modern prision facility at GTMO?

    Yes we did, I've seen it. I was stationed at GTMO for a year and a half. Many of my friends worked "inside the wire" and none of them abused any detainees. Many of them have however had feces, semen, urine and spit thrown in their faces. What happens to the detainee responsible? They are put in time out, unless the guard "unreasonably provoked" him.

    So maybe not so ignorant after all, but who am I to question our fearless leader?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laser Sailor View Post
    Forgive me for being ignorant . . .

    But if the issues surrounding GTMO are the abuse of the detainees and their "rights" how does moving them alleviate that problem? Doesn't the potential for abuse remain the same?

    Also didn't we just drop several million dollars into a modern prision facility at GTMO?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyBunny View Post
    How long after arriving until they can apply for "Green Cards"?

    Yes, I'm serious.
    I just knew somebody was going to say that. Where do they go once their time is up .The next thing we will hear is the prison is overcrowded and they need to release some of the prisoners.

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    Moving them subjects them to US law with all its trimmings.

    Why would one want to do that? If one was naive about things and wanted to say he was doing the right thing one would do it.

    Of course now one would silently direct his Military to quit taking prisoners and be judge and jury out there in some other country where US law can't reach em.


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    Short Memories

    Why do people continue to think that terrorists are common criminals OR EVEN common murderers? They are NOT!
    There is a good REASON why they are called terrorists.
    Because they create terror.
    Wait until the friends of those incarcerated terrorists decide to take over an Illinois Elementary School and start shooting little kids while they demand the release of their friends in terror.

    That is SO STUPID being them into the U.S.

    Russia school siege toll tops 350
    Putin denounces 'attack on our country'
    Sunday, September 5, 2004 Posted: 1:14 AM EDT (0514 GMT)
    Outside the Beslan hospital Saturday, friends and relatives read names of those who escaped the school.

    Timeline reconstructs what happened as the standoff ended in a hail of gunfire.

    Gunfire, chaos as hostages run for safety.



    > Putin: 'An attack on our country'
    • Interactive: Map of school grounds
    • Timeline: How the siege unfolded
    • Eyewitness: Death and horror
    • Captor: 'We'll shoot until our guns stop'
    • Siege jolts world leaders

    BESLAN, Russia (CNN) -- The death toll in the Russian hostage crisis has climbed beyond 350 as President Vladimir Putin denounced the massacre as "an attack on our country."

    In a nationally televised speech Saturday, Putin said the fall of the Soviet Union had left the country unable to react to attacks, and he urged Russians to join together.

    "We must create a much more effective system of security," he said. "We couldn't adequately react. ... We showed weakness, and weak people are beaten." (Full story).

    North Ossetia government spokesman Lev Dzugayev told CNN that 323 hostages, including 156 children, died in the siege in the southern town.

    In addition, 26 hostage-takers -- including 10 people from Arab countries -- and at least 10 Russian Special Forces troops died.

    Chechens have been affiliated with the al Qaeda terror network, and an Arab connection suggests a further link between the Chechen rebel movement and international terrorism. Chechen rebels have been fighting Russian troops for a decade, seeking independence.

    More than 700 people were wounded, officials said.

    Dzugayev said Saturday evening that 448 people were still in hospitals in the region, including 248 children. Among the total hospitalized, 69 were in serious condition.

    Most of the dead were killed when a bomb exploded in the gymnasium, Dzugayev said.

    Of those who died from gunshot wounds, most were shot in the back as they fled the gymnasium, he said.

    Security forces are still combing the region for hostage-takers who escaped.

    Putin traveled to the traumatized region near Chechnya early Saturday, visiting hospitals and meeting local officials.

    "Russia is grieving with the people of North Ossetia," he said in Beslan. "Nobody wanted to use force."

    "One of the tasks pursued by the terrorists was to stoke ethnic hatred, to blow up the whole of our North Caucasus."

    At least 79 bodies have been identified, the Emergency Situations Ministry said. Many bodies were burned beyond recognition and will require DNA testing for identification.

    The Interfax news agency quoted a defense official as saying that "the terrorists planted a lot of mines and booby-traps filled with metal bolts in the gym."

    Investigators are looking at the possibility that the hostage-takers may have brought their weapons and explosives into the school well before the siege.

    Interfax quoted an unnamed regional security officer as saying the weapons had been hidden under the floor during summer construction work.

    An escaped hostage said she recognized some of the terrorists as having done the construction work, Echo Moscow Radio reported.

    The images of the aftermath, broadcast on television and posted on the Internet, horrified people around the world and brought ringing outcries by international leaders. (Full story)

    Chaotic scenes
    The standoff that began early Wednesday ended Friday after Russian forces stormed the school amid explosions and intense gunfire.

    Around midday Russian officials, working under a cease-fire agreement, tried to collect bodies outside the school.

    There was an explosion, hostages fled, and hostage-takers opened fire on the children and rescue workers. Russian troops, who had not planned to storm the building, returned fire.

    Several hours later the scene remained in chaos, with troops fighting room-by-room.

    Children who survived said they were denied food and water and had to take off their clothes because of the heat.

    The standoff followed a bloody week in Russia. A female suicide bomber killed nine people outside a Moscow subway station Tuesday. Two suspected Chechen female suicide bombers downed two airliners on August 24, killing all 89 people aboard the planes.

    Russian officials have said the new wave of attacks is an attempt at revenge for last weekend's elections in Chechnya in which a Kremlin-backed candidate won the presidency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guns and more View Post
    It should be full employment for trial attorneys for years to come.
    Yep.

    The attorneys assigned to the terrorists will undoubtedly be Eric Holder's law firm.

    And who will pay the exhorbitant attorney fees?

    WE WILL!

    Talk about corruption.

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    Although I cannot condone many of the decisions about their being brought to US soil and being tried in civilian courts, I am at least happy that the process is moving forward.

    These guys have sat around for too long. If they are as bad as we are led to believe, put them to trial, convict them, and execute them. If they are not, deal with them in an appropriate manner. Be fair, be quick, and be ruthless...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom G View Post
    Where do they go once their time is up .
    What makes you think they will be convicted?

    "Your honor, my client's Constitutional rights have been trampled by the evil Bush/Cheney."

    1. They did not read my client his rights in his native language.
    2. He was not afforded council.
    3. He was tortured, thereby, any confession is to be thrown out.
    4. I demand all the records from the battlefield. I intend to subpoena everyone.
    5. My client cannot get a fair trial, as the President has publicly guaranteed a conviction.
    6. The jury pool has been tainted by publicity, I demand the trial be moved to Dearborn, Michigan, where a jury of his peers might be found.
    7. The U.S. brought this on themselves by their murderous actions.
    I have weeks of testimony.
    8. Where is the evidence?

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