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The Nigerian PETN device

This is a discussion on The Nigerian PETN device within the Law Enforcement, Military & Homeland Security Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by Patti Good Lord. The system FAILED. That scumbag should have never gotten on the airplane in the first place. WTH is the ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    Good Lord. The system FAILED. That scumbag should have never gotten on the airplane in the first place. WTH is the matter with this woman? Is she ignorant or just plain STUPID!

    The only reason we dodged the bullet is because the idiot scumbag FAILED!
    Just plain stupid.
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    Did the system fail?
    I don't think there is a system.
    Help me connect the dots.
    This guy gets on a plane without a passport (reportedly)
    He pays cash for a one way ticket overseas and has no luggage.
    His father had turned him in to authorities as being a radical.
    His name was on a watch list.

    And yet he got no additional screening? Are they crazy?

    Meanwhile, I'm taking my shoes off, and jumping through hoops to make a good theater for Obama to show off.

    Janet Napolitano won't even admit there is a threat from radical muslims.

    We are doomed. All you can hope for is that the passengers will save the plane.
    (and their own lives.)

    Make up your mind right now, If you are on a flight, and see a guy trying to start a fire, or similar weird acts, you will take immediate action.
    The passengers are the only hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by packinnova View Post
    I know the binary systems exist, but that second video looks to be a major hoax. Nothing matches up for starters.
    1. The video shows the pen attached to the side of the melon that's resting on some sort of post/stand.
    2. Suddenly the video cuts to what appears to be an "explosion" of sorts that has a completely different background and the explosion is moving upward and out bottom to top. Wasn't the pen attached to the side of the melon? Shouldn't the explosion be moving left to right? And where's the stand the melon was on along with the rest of the background?
    3. Where was the shockwave and why didn't the camera catch it. If this was HE the camera should have captured the shockwave...if it were an HE compound we would be talking in the thousands of meters per second range.


    What I saw looked like someone lit a darn black cat firecracker and placed the watermelon on top...and yes...seen that first hand...
    exactly hoax time for mythbusters. Binaries exist but you need a little more to get that type or reaction still not much though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guns and more View Post
    Did the system fail?
    I don't think there is a system.
    Help me connect the dots.
    This guy gets on a plane without a passport (reportedly)
    He pays cash for a one way ticket overseas and has no luggage.
    His father had turned him in to authorities as being a radical.
    His name was on a watch list.

    And yet he got no additional screening? Are they crazy?

    Meanwhile, I'm taking my shoes off, and jumping through hoops to make a good theater for Obama to show off.

    Janet Napolitano won't even admit there is a threat from radical muslims.

    We are doomed. All you can hope for is that the passengers will save the plane.
    (and their own lives.)

    Make up your mind right now, If you are on a flight, and see a guy trying to start a fire, or similar weird acts, you will take immediate action.
    The passengers are the only hope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guns and more View Post
    Did the system fail?
    Meanwhile, I'm taking my shoes off, and jumping through hoops to make a good theater for Obama to show off.
    Janet Napolitano won't even admit there is a threat from radical muslims.

    We are doomed. All you can hope for is that the passengers will save the plane.
    (and their own lives.)

    Make up your mind right now, If you are on a flight, and see a guy trying to start a fire, or similar weird acts, you will take immediate action.
    The passengers are the only hope.
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    Do we still have sky marshals?
    Yes, a few. The sky marshall program is not very high on the agenda of the political hacks in DC.

    Since this is a gun forum what do they carry to defend the airplane?
    Someones's 9mm. Used to be a Sig 228.

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    PETN - Pentaerythritol tetranitrate. Detonation cord. Burns at the rate of 4 miles per second. I took some classes on destruction of nuclear weapons at Nuclear Weapons Training Group, Pacific at North Island Naval Air Station. The instructors took a 100 yard length of PETN det cord and stretched it out between two poles (obviously a little less than 100 yards apart). A flag was attached every 10 feet. Only one end was lit, and we were supposed to guess which end was lit. It was, in fact a guess, because the flags seemed to drop at the same time. We figured that it would take roughly 4 minutes to burn from NAS North Island to Hunters Point.

    We also used it to cut down small trees in Vietnam. Amazing stuff.

    Good old Janet, "The system worked." Yup, sure as hell did - for the Bad Guy. Good thing the passengers and not Homeland Security were there to save the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RebelRabbi View Post
    Airport security is designed to protect the asset, the plane. YOU are expendable.
    Yup. Doing what's necessary to save each and every person from every threat is cost prohibitive and impossible to implement everywhere threats can occur. Always has been. Always will be. In that sense, at least, the individual is expendable.


    Quote Originally Posted by PointnClick View Post
    We dodged a serious bullet here... 300 dead on Christmas day... only a shoddy detonation system saved those people.
    If a 6-inch "bag" of this stuff (worn on the body) could blast a hole in a plane, imagine how easy it would be for a few dozen such individuals to simultaneously board planes all around the world.

    If the individual is prepared to be erased, it's fairly hard to stop a motivated person from committing the act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    WTH is the matter with this woman? Is she ignorant or just plain STUPID!
    She's about as smart as is she pretty


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    Something really STINKS!

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    They were sitting about 20 rows behind Abdulmutallab, in a center aisle with her husband and daughter a row ahead of her and their two new adopted children, a six-year-old girl and an eight-year-old boy.

    Her daughter said that ahead of them was a man who videotaped the entire flight, including the attempted detonation.

    "He sat up and videotaped the entire thing, very calmly," said Patricia. "We do know that the FBI is looking for him intensely. Since then, we've heard nothing about it."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sig 210 View Post
    Yes, a few. The sky marshall program is not very high on the agenda of the political hacks in DC.



    Someones's 9mm. Used to be a Sig 228.
    Actually, the Federal Air Marshal program (has not been "Sky Marshals" in many, many years) has grown exponentially since 09/11. Absolutely no comparison. It used to be a handful of guys. Now it is a large law enforcement agency. That is not to say there are enough, but it certainly is not a rinky-**** outfit. And they do not carry the P228 or any 9mm pistol. They currently carry the P229 in .357Sig, however they recently announced a planned switch to the new Sig P250.
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    Quote Originally Posted by searcher 45 View Post
    Do we still have sky marshals?

    Since this is a gun forum what do they carry to defend the airplane?
    Not that there was one on this flight ... but I think they carry G32s or G33s (.357 frangible rounds).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    News Update:

    napolitano has changed her mind.

    She's now saying that the system failed.

    The bottom line: This woman is completely clueless.
    Sadly, we knew that when she was our governor. She was an apologist for illegal immigrants and her reward was a cabinet post because she supposedly had "experience" with border issues.
    Yep, that experience shows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by packinnova View Post
    I know the binary systems exist, but that second video looks to be a major hoax. Nothing matches up for starters.
    1. The video shows the pen attached to the side of the melon that's resting on some sort of post/stand.
    2. Suddenly the video cuts to what appears to be an "explosion" of sorts that has a completely different background and the explosion is moving upward and out bottom to top. Wasn't the pen attached to the side of the melon? Shouldn't the explosion be moving left to right? And where's the stand the melon was on along with the rest of the background?
    3. Where was the shockwave and why didn't the camera catch it. If this was HE the camera should have captured the shockwave...if it were an HE compound we would be talking in the thousands of meters per second range.


    What I saw looked like someone lit a darn black cat firecracker and placed the watermelon on top...and yes...seen that first hand...
    I'm with you... the video is BS. The "high explosive" is probably ammonium tri-iodide, made with home chemicals, but while it IS temperature and shock sensitive (in fact, downright unstable at room temperature) it is NOT a "high explosive."
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheShadow View Post
    She's about as smart as is she pretty

    Looks like Janet Reno's "knockout" little sister...
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