The other side of the story to the Sheriff's ride

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    Somebody that hasn't worked in ten years,having those kinds of assets makes me wonder where he got them especially the 25,000 for the stang,And that BS about remodeling a house etc.I bet he's on SSD yet he can remodel houses and cars,He's ripping the gubment off one way or another,If he did buy a house and sell it for more money then there are taxes to be paid,bet he didn't pay any taxes on the money he supposedly made
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    Quote Originally Posted by atctimmy View Post
    Buying it or not, he has a right to a trial by jury and is innocent until proven guilty. What do you think you would do in a similar situation. The police threatened to arrest his wife and also could have threatened to confiscate his home. Maybe the plea deal was his only option that made sense to him at the time.

    My whole point is not whether he is innocent or guilty. My point is that the police can now use asset seizure as a threat to coerce a confession. "Sign here mister or we'll take your house." "But where will my wife live?" "Well if you sign this she'll still have a roof over her head. But if you make us take you to trial we'll put her on the street."
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    No. I think that after he is convicted by a jury of his peers you can take it all. Or fine him so heavily that he has to sell everything to pay his fines. I also think looooong prison sentences are better than short ones. I think that prison time should be punitive and rough, not a cushy stay with TV and good food.

    Believe me SIXTO when I say I hate criminals. Lock em up and throw away the key, but I think asset seizure circumvents the Constitution.
    He pled guilty...now he's complaining about it.

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    Somebody that hasn't worked in ten years,having those kinds of assets makes me wonder where he got them especially the 25,000 for the stang,And that BS about remodeling a house etc.I bet he's on SSD yet he can remodel houses and cars,He's ripping the gubment off one way or another,If he did buy a house and sell it for more money then there are taxes to be paid,bet he didn't pay any taxes on the money he supposedly made
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    Having worked a drug Task Force for more than 15 years. I can tell you this guy is getting a good deal. The courts are not handing out prision sentences for Marijuana dealers & as you can see by his car and the cash on hand Crime does pay..taking the money is the only way to punish them anymore..

    We recently went through a big law change in Utah because a state senators kid got caught selling dope and had his toys taken away..Now all state forfeitures go into a central fund and is given out as grants and a % goes to drug court. The local agencies cannot keep anything seized.

    Just because the prosecutor (cops don't make plea deals) showed him his options and he chose to pay his way out of jail doesn't make him a victim of "the System" You play you pay..he chose his toys over his freedom.
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    So a twice convicted drug dealer is whining that his "work product" was seized pursuant to his latest conviction? Of course he is... They always do.

    "I can tell you this guy is getting a good deal."
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    Quote Originally Posted by atctimmy View Post
    My point is that the police can now use asset seizure as a threat to coerce a confession. "Sign here mister or we'll take your house." "But where will my wife live?" "Well if you sign this she'll still have a roof over her head. But if you make us take you to trial we'll put her on the street."


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    Can the cops seize a house that has a mortgage on it or a car that is not paid for???

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    We had a sheriff here who would stop cars on I 95 and if the driver had a large amount of cash the sheriff would confiscate the money but did not arrest the driver. The driver would have to go to court to get his money back. I believe the sheriff's name was Vogal. Sixto what do you think about this kind of action. Something smells bad here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom G View Post
    Can the cops seize a house that has a mortgage on it or a car that is not paid for???
    They can, but not worth the hassle. Unless the bank had a role in the enterprise, the gubment would then be responsible for the balance of the loan,

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom G View Post
    We had a sheriff here who would stop cars on I 95 and if the driver had a large amount of cash the sheriff would confiscate the money but did not arrest the driver. The driver would have to go to court to get his money back. I believe the sheriff's name was Vogal Sixto what do you think about this kind of action. Something smells bad here.
    It can be legal, and in rare cases appropriate. Most of the time it just looks bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom G View Post
    We had a sheriff here who would stop cars on I 95 and if the driver had a large amount of cash the sheriff would confiscate the money but did not arrest the driver. The driver would have to go to court to get his money back. I believe the sheriff's name was Vogal. Sixto what do you think about this kind of action. Something smells bad here.
    This is exactly what happened to my neighbor. He had over $60,000 taken from him during a traffic stop. He was never charger, but the cash was impounded as drug money. To get his money back he would of had to post a very high bond which he did not have the money for. His lawyer also told him he would have to prove the money was not from a criminal activity.

    Many people believe that that much money had to be drug money or some other criminal activity. The scary thing is though that the government did not have to prove the money was obtained illegally, it was on him to prove that it wasn't. If they can do it to him couldn't they do it to me next time i'm carrying $3000 to a gun show?

    If you are not actually convicted of a crime the government should not be able to incarcerate you or take your property. Its that simple.

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    To me it sounds like the law is saying the guy is presumed guilty instead of the other way around. By now all our money should have the smell of drugs on it. This happened several times here. What happened to the mans rights. It's about like being held up by the sheriff and there is no body to complain to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atctimmy View Post
    Buying it or not, he has a right to a trial by jury and is innocent until proven guilty. What do you think you would do in a similar situation. The police threatened to arrest his wife and also could have threatened to confiscate his home. Maybe the plea deal was his only option that made sense to him at the time.

    My whole point is not whether he is innocent or guilty. My point is that the police can now use asset seizure as a threat to coerce a confession. "Sign here mister or we'll take your house." "But where will my wife live?" "Well if you sign this she'll still have a roof over her head. But if you make us take you to trial we'll put her on the street."


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    people have lost their property because someone they don't even know planted marijuana plants on it, and the LEO confiscate it

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlr1m View Post
    This is exactly what happened to my neighbor. He had over $60,000 taken from him during a traffic stop. He was never charger, but the cash was impounded as drug money. To get his money back he would of had to post a very high bond which he did not have the money for. His lawyer also told him he would have to prove the money was not from a criminal activity.

    Many people believe that that much money had to be drug money or some other criminal activity. The scary thing is though that the government did not have to prove the money was obtained illegally, it was on him to prove that it wasn't. If they can do it to him couldn't they do it to me next time i'm carrying $3000 to a gun show?

    If you are not actually convicted of a crime the government should not be able to incarcerate you or take your property. Its that simple.

    Michael
    1st Question. Why would anyone have $60000.00 in cash on there person? Smells funny, Incidents like this typically point to circumventing Government tracking of large sums of money. Also IF and thats a big IF he had a way to prove this there shouldn't be a reason he couldn't get his money back. FWIW, I keep my money in a bank until I need it, otherwise I use cashiers checks or wire transfers.
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