Increasing Small Arms Lethality in Afghanistan: Taking Back the Infantry Half-K.meter

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    Increasing Small Arms Lethality in Afghanistan: Taking Back the Infantry Half-K.meter

    Increasing Small Arms Lethality in Afghanistan: Taking Back the Infantry Half-Kilometer
    A Monograph
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    Source - http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc...c=GetTRDoc.pdf

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    Excellent article. Thanks

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    From this report it should be obvious that no one caliber or rifle is correct or best for every requirement needed.

    Marksmanship in America in general is way down from WW1 when we were a nation of shooters.

    The military's going to suppression fire over marksmanship brought about the 5.56x45 and poor long range performance.

    Answer to this problem is a PR campaign to promote marksmanship and sport shooting to the level of say the superbowl so America would become a nation of marksman and lovers of shooting again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by searcher 45 View Post
    From this report it should be obvious that no one caliber or rifle is correct or best for every requirement needed.
    Agreed.

    Quote Originally Posted by searcher 45 View Post
    Marksmanship in America in general is way down from WW1 when we were a nation of shooters.
    I'd go along with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by searcher 45 View Post
    The military's going to suppression fire over marksmanship brought about the 5.56x45 and poor long range performance.
    There's evidence to support this.

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    Answer to this problem is a PR campaign to promote marksmanship and sport shooting to the level of say the superbowl so America would become a nation of marksman and lovers of shooting again.
    Another answer, like was mentioned in the article, is revamping the way we train our young Soldiers. Changes are underway as we speak, but there has to be an education of our trainers, too. Not all of our leaders are prepared to teach true marksmanship, so the education needs to be widespread. This is a time-consuming process, which still has some institutional hurdles to overcome.
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    Excellent monograph. Much of it is "common knowledge" to those of us who follow these things, but this is a great compendium of the bits and pieces of information that surround this issue. Obviously, the first fix - which will require little money (relatively) and no equipment changes (and concomitant congressional/echelons above reality involvement) is training. Yes, it takes time and commitment, but it can overcome almost any equipment shortfall...
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    Just a friendly suggestion to the Army, ask the Marines for some marksmanship help. The rifle range was a big part of our basic training, we had to qualify @ 500yds.
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    Great Article!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAT40 View Post
    Just a friendly suggestion to the Army, ask the Marines for some marksmanship help. The rifle range was a big part of our basic training, we had to qualify @ 500yds.
    The Marine course is also unrealistic, and is a "no-go" to meet the standards recommended in the monograph. While it is more technically challenging than the Army's, it's still not "good enough."
    A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.

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    I have a "fix" thats easy and make sense.

    Issue two weapons. Issue the M-4 for the normal everyday stuff and issue a scoped AR-10 or a variant for the far off stuff.

    Basically the same platform, so no training issues.

    The AR-10 would seriously close the gap with some proper training. Make it mission specific,yet with a few on every team for the unforseen stuff.
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    That's, um, kinda what the monograph said, HG...
    A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.

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    Ahh...great minds think alike!
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    Quote Originally Posted by searcher 45 View Post
    Answer to this problem is a PR campaign to promote marksmanship and sport shooting to the level of say the superbowl so America would become a nation of marksman and lovers of shooting again.
    It's being tried:

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    Also the CMP (Civilian Marksmanship Program).

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    When Kuwait was invaded I had been the senior firing range advisor the the Saudis for several years. A very few Saudi units had good markmanship training programs and their troops shot very well: Troops with bad eyes even wore glasses. However, most of the Saudis were poor marksmen due to bad eyesight brought on by tracoma.

    I invited several senior Saudi officers to observe a unit of the 82nd Airborne firing on the 300 meter ranges-wrong answer!!! The 82nd Airborne made our Saudis look like resolute marksmen.

    I will always remember a US soldier who could not hit the half silhouette target at 30 meters. Looked his weapon over twice before observing that the front sight post was missing.

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