Flying with a gun this week

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    Flying with a gun this week

    Well, my wife and I are being flown to Atlanta by the company that I am accepting a job with for a house hunting trip. They are paying for airfare, a rental car, hotel room and meals for 3 days so we can find a house to move to when the job starts March 17th.

    I will be taking a gun with me of course. So this should be an interesting test of our fine TSA agents and how they handle it. I have printed out the rules for flying with a gun in your checked baggage. The TSA version and the Delta Airlines version and I will have them both with me just incase I get a pin head who doesn't know their own regs.

    I'll let you know how it goes after we get back on the 1st of March.
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    Good luck, Mike. Hope the trip goes well!
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    I'd put your chance of finding a bonehead at roughly 35%.
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    How's 'bout a copy of the reg's on carring for air travel, just so we can see what's, what.
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    Good luck Mike,
    Have a safe trip, sounds like things are moving pretty fast
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    Quote Originally Posted by monk View Post
    How's 'bout a copy of the reg's on carring for air travel, just so we can see what's, what.
    Sure thing, here a link to the official TSA website page that talks about flying with a firearm in your checked baggage.

    TSA: Traveling with Special Items
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    Good Luck Mike!!

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    Good luck on the home search! Hope the trip, search, and job all go well.
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    I have flown Delta into and out of Atlanta with checked firearms plenty of times and have never had even a hint of a problem with either the Delta check-in people or the TSA agents. One thing I do to make it easier on them is to put a cable lock through either the barrel and out the ejection port or through the ejection port and down through the mag well. That way, when I show up to declare an "unloaded firearm, please" even someone who doesn't know anything about firearms can take comfort from seeing the cable lock. Remember that ammo can go in the same hard-sided case as the firearm so long as it is in a separate box or, what I usually do, if the loaded magazine is in a mag pouch so the open top of the magazine is covered. Allow a little extra time on both ends or the flight to go through the check-in line and to wait for baggage on the other end if you are used to taking only carry-on bags and you will be fine.

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    If you run into any problems just show them a picture of your advatar that should clear this up in a snap.

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    Remember that ammo can go in the same hard-sided case as the firearm so long as it is in a separate box or, what I usually do, if the loaded magazine is in a mag pouch so the open top of the magazine is covered.


    GMark340, Forgive me, but I'm not sure what you meant to say in your post above about traveling with ammo. I've never air traveled with my handgun or ammo so this is interesting to me. From what I read you leave the ammo in the mag and put something (like what??)over the open end and then you can leave your loaded mag within the same case as the gun?

    Thanks in advance for the info.

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    Mike, time spent in the airports, especially Hartsfield will take longer than it would take you to drive from TN to Hotlanta.
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    below is the LAW. I suggest that you print it out and highlite the important parts for immediate reference for the TSA in case they "forget" the law. I needed it a few years ago in Raleigh. They were shocked that someone would even have seen it, let alone have a copy.


    [Code of Federal Regulations]
    [Title 49, Volume 8]
    [Revised as of October 1, 2003]
    From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
    [CITE: 49CFR1540.111]

    [Page 295]

    TITLE 49--TRANSPORTATION

    CHAPTER XII--TRANSPORTATION SECURITY ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF
    HOMELAND SECURITY

    PART 1540--CIVIL AVIATION SECURITY: GENERAL RULES--Table of Contents

    Subpart B--Responsibilities of Passengers and Other Individuals and
    Persons

    Sec. 1540.111 Carriage of weapons, explosives, and incendiaries by individuals.

    (a) On an individual's person or accessible property--prohibitions.
    Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, an individual may
    not have a weapon, explosive, or incendiary, on or about the
    individual's person or accessible property--
    (1) When performance has begun of the inspection of the individual's
    person or accessible property before entering a sterile area, or before
    boarding an aircraft for which screening is conducted under Sec.
    1544.201 or Sec. 1546.201 of this chapter;
    (2) When the individual is entering or in a sterile area; or
    (3) When the individual is attempting to board or onboard an
    aircraft for which screening is conducted under Sec. 1544.201 or Sec.
    1546.201 of this chapter.
    (b) On an individual's person or accessible property--permitted
    carriage of a weapon. Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply as to
    carriage of firearms and other weapons if the individual is one of the
    following:
    (1) Law enforcement personnel required to carry a firearm or other
    weapons while in the performance of law enforcement duty at the airport.
    (2) An individual authorized to carry a weapon in accordance with
    Sec.Sec. 1544.219, 1544.221, 1544.223, or 1546.211 of this chapter.
    (3) An individual authorized to carry a weapon in a sterile area
    under a security program.
    (c) In checked baggage. A passenger may not transport or offer for
    transport in checked baggage:
    (1) Any loaded firearm(s).
    (2) Any unloaded firearm(s) unless--
    (i) The passenger declares to the aircraft operator, either orally
    or in writing, before checking the baggage, that the passenger has a
    firearm in his or her bag and that it is unloaded;
    (ii) The firearm is unloaded;
    (iii) The firearm is carried in a hard-sided container; and
    (iv) The container in which it is carried is locked, and only the
    passenger retains the key or combination.
    (3) Any unauthorized explosive or incendiary.
    (d) Ammunition. This section does not prohibit the carriage of
    ammunition in checked baggage or in the same container as a firearm.
    Title 49 CFR part 175 provides additional requirements governing
    carriage of ammunition on aircraft.

    [67 FR 8353, Feb. 22, 2002, as amended at 67 FR 41639, June
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf87 View Post
    GMark340, Forgive me, but I'm not sure what you meant to say in your post above about traveling with ammo. I've never air traveled with my handgun or ammo so this is interesting to me. From what I read you leave the ammo in the mag and put something (like what??)over the open end and then you can leave your loaded mag within the same case as the gun?

    Thanks in advance for the info.
    This one is open to interpretation, because various regs state ammo is to be carried in a container designed for carrying ammo - i.e., like a factory box.

    You're dealing with mostly non-gun people here and I strongly advise against carrying ammo in loaded mags or speedloaders. You're checking your bags at the ticket counter or at the TSA bag inspection table, and you're challenged about your ammunition - now what? Don't expect to have a deep philosophical discussion with the minimum-wage TSA agent about the meaning of a container designed to hold ammunition. Heaven knows, you might lose your pricey mags as well as the ammo - nothing I'd want to risk.

    If you feel the need, carry just factory-boxed ammo in the case with the firearm, and leave the mags unloaded, if for no other reason than to avoid giving people more reasons to generate questions born of ignorance.
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