Hello from Canada (Quebec)

Hello from Canada (Quebec)

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    Hello from Canada (Quebec)

    Hey there,

    A while back I noticed several references to this site (from another Canadian firearms forum I visit) and finally got around to signing up and looking over the great information here.

    Most of the members here seem well informed so I guess I don't have to explain what our current situation in Canada is. I joined this site to see how the debate is going south side.

    Cheers,
    Canuck


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    welcome to forum...
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    Welcome, a brief description of your laws ect might enlighten us.
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    Hello Canuck, and welcome to the forum!
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    Hi there Canuck....I just love Newfoundland...but any further explaining is best left to one's imagination, a bottle of ripple, and PM's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocky
    Welcome, a brief description of your laws ect might enlighten us.
    I'll give it a try. If I miss anything, I'm sure there are other Canadian visitors who can fill in the gaps. But here is a very quick overview.

    - The registration of firearms and licensing is mainly done at the federal level.

    - We have licensing (I can deal with that), which is necessary to own or purchase a firearm. The requirement to obtain a license is completing 1 or 2 courses (depending wether you want pistol or rifles only) and a background check.

    - For the strangest of reasons, the government has broken up firearms into multiple categories. Without having to go into details, I'll stick to the main ones most gun owners here deal with. The 3 main ones are non-restricted, restricted and prohibited.

    Non-restricted firearms are mostly bolt action or semi rifles and shotguns.

    Restricted covers all pistols, most subguns, any centre fire gun that has a barrel under 18.5inches and a few other long guns they decided should be in this class.

    Prohibited is a list of guns that the government at the time (at least 10yrs ago) believed to be only "assult rifles" or guns that could be easily concealed or that their consultants at the time recommended banning. In the case of prohibited guns, you had to already own one of these firearms when the law came into effect in order to have a grandfather license granted to you. That means, if you didnt already own a prohibited class gun 10yrs ago, you cannot ever. Which is my case since I am a bit younger and only got into shooting a few years back.

    - All rifle mags (except .22s) have to be pinned at 5 rounds.

    There are some strange exceptions to the 3 categories I mentionned above. For exemple, a Fal is prohibited, a AR15 is restricted and a M16 is prohibited, but a AR180 is non-restricted (???). Another exemple, all pistols are restricted, but any under 4inches are considered prohibited (so no snubs).

    I own a few rifles (nagants, mausers, mossbergs) and several handguns (colts, smiths, etc) I can take my rifles to any range in my area to shoot. However, my pistols are restricted firearms and as such the governemnt requires I have a club membership and ask for a ATT (Authorisation To Transport). All it is is a piece paper from my provincial police force stating that I can go from my house to my club with any of the pistols I own. I cant take them anywhere else without another ATT paper or a invitation from the president of another range (you can see why CCW is going to be a big uphill battle for us) This paper is valid only for the time of my club membership (say 1 year) Everytime I'm up for renewal, I have to go the same forms and request again permission to bring my pistols to the club.

    It's not like england, but it sure is pretty tight. Our new Conservative government has proposed some legislation to make things easier on us (keep licensing, but remove registration on all non-restricted firearms), but I believe it won't be voted on until the fall and it still only has a 50/50 chance of passing.
    My wish is to get rid of the dumb ATT requirement and also begin introducing CCW.But its going to be a long battle before we get there.

    Here you can find all the "legallese" and more details on our firearms laws.
    http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/info_for-r.../default_e.asp

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    Canuck - as an ex (very) Brit, who lost an entire handgun collection back in '97 - and prior to that was banned from semi rifles - watch your Gov very carefully.

    Back in my relatively ''good ol days'' - I owned many guns under similar restrictions - but they were privelage and not a right - so guard what you have jealously. I'd hate to see things go the UK way - even if considered unlikely by you guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P95Carry
    Canuck - as an ex (very) Brit, who lost an entire handgun collection back in '97 - and prior to that was banned from semi rifles - watch your Gov very carefully.

    Back in my relatively ''good ol days'' - I owned many guns under similar restrictions - but they were privelage and not a right - so guard what you have jealously. I'd hate to see things go the UK way - even if considered unlikely by you guys.

    I hear ya. During the last election (Jan 2006) it got to the point that the feds (Lieberals at the time) were considering a complete handgun ban. In a strange turn of events, that was one of their downfalls as it cost them the election and brought back the conservatives after a long abscence from power. This won us a small break, but it served as a strong warning to many of us firearms owners how close we were to loosing everything. I'm trying to stay optimistic for now, but I think we'll have a better idea come this fall.

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    THREE CHEERS FOR CANADA
    By Larry Pratt
    June 23, 2006
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    Canada has been suffering from an acute case of Big Brotherism for years. Canadian life has increasingly been suffocated by the hand of government intrusion into every aspect of life.
    Well, big brother seems to have been sent packing, at least for a while. Voters last January tossed out the Liberal (socialist) government. The Tory, Conservative party won a plurality, but was forced to organize a minority government as had the Liberals before them.
    One of the major issues in the campaign was gun control. For about a decade, the Liberals had attempted to convince Canadians that a registry of the long guns of the good guys would keep the bad guys from having guns. As crime rose, and suspicious gun owners refused to obey the law, the Liberal claim to divine knowledge became tattered.
    Legitimacy was replaced by contempt when it turned out that the registry's computers had been hacked and used for precision burglaries of gun collections. The system sold as the way to keep guns out of the hands of bad guys was actually putting guns in the "wrong hands" as Sarah Brady likes to put it! (I know, Sarah really means all non-government employees are the "wrong hands.")
    The Liberals not only looked silly for supporting an obviously failed program, but their position lost all legitimacy when it was learned that the gun registry was a cash cow for consultants and favored businesses.
    Try as they might to cover up their financial hanky panky, an audit by the Auditor General of Canada revealed that the system was one thousand times over budget and climbing. A second, recent audit revealed fiscal tactics had been used that would have been admired by an Enron accountant. Gun registry spending was pulled from many different budgets without a trace -- no line items flagged the covert movement of the funds.
    The Liberals were further wounded when an Adscam scandal of similar proportions came to light where party cronies were awarded contracts because they were insiders. Payola here, payola there, payola everywhere was increasingly the image of the Liberal party.
    The Tories campaigned on an "end-the-gun-registry" plank in their platform. It was very helpful in ousting the Liberals. It focused opinion on much that was wrong with the Liberal government.
    While lacking the majority (yet) to outright repeal the long gun registry, they have been taking the money for the registry and giving it to the Mounties so they can do real police work. They have also proclaimed an amnesty so unregistered gun owners don't have to register pending repeal of the law.
    Interestingly, when the Liberals decreed (without a vote in Parliament) many amnesties to try to snooker Canadians into registering their guns -- that was good government. Now that the Tories have decreed an amnesty in the same non-parliamentary fashion (it would be called an executive order in the U.S.), opponents have decried the amnesty as a horrible violation of the rule of law. Just ask the Liberals and their allies in the mainstream (partisan) media.
    Not only is the gun registry heading in the right direction (to the trash heap), the Tories have sacked Canada's rabidly anti-gun representatives at the UN's ongoing gun control convocation. The UN has been seeking for years to impose worldwide gun control (read: disarm American private gun owners). Canada, along with Japan, has been a major supporter of a treaty which would have the UN administer an international gun registry.
    With the still-growing scandal of the Canadian long-gun registry, the UN will have a harder sell for its own global gun registry. To put it in other words, guns don't get into criminals hands because of negligent gun owners, guns get there thanks to gun control laws!

    To add insult to injury, the UN would like to have its anti-gun powwow over the week of July 4. This is a plan much like kicking a sleeping dog. If US gun owners have been too busy until now to pay attention to the UN's lust for their guns, this little bit of timing might change all that. Maybe we will come to see the UN as George III's revenge.
    In light of this, the Canadian election in January takes on a worldwide significance. The Conservative government of Canada has become a true ally of the United States, and of individual gun-owning Americans -- indeed of gun owners everywhere.

    We should all take heart that a people that seemed to go along with every oppressive policy of their socialist government finally "pushed back," as member of Parliament Garry Breitkreuz (Conservative from Saskatchewan) told me in my Live Fire interview with him (hear the interview). Maybe those of us who are Canada's southern neighbor will follow suit and push back against our own suffocating socialists.

    http://www.newswithviews.com/Pratt/larry61.htm
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