Lets all be on the same team

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    You got some cojones putting yourself out there like that compadre. Like I've said before, we are ultimately on the same team and when you boil it down we have far more in common than we don't. I hope you decide to stick around and keep learning from the forum. Stay safe.
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    Mod Hat Off (Meaning I'm speaking only as a member of defensive carry and NOT a moderator):

    Welcome to the forum! This is a great place to learn and interact with other like-minded individuals (at least in a very broad sense).

    Mod Hat Back On:
    As a moderator, when I hear someone throwing the word "insult" or "the people who insult me on the forum" over and over again on a video or in a posting I want to find those people and those posts and do some looking into the matter. It is, after all, the job of the moderators to keep some semblance of order. We try to be fair and good enforcers of the rules without being too heavy handed or without playing to favoritism (no one is above the rules, not even other moderators).

    Per our forum rule #2:
    2. While debating and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks or purposeless inflammatory posts or PMs. Trolling, flaming, and personal attacks are strictly prohibited. You are welcome to disagree with opinions other than your own, but flaming other members will not be allowed. If you can't figure out how to compose a post without it being confrontational or a personal attack on someone, simply bite your lip and don't post it.

    We have a saying here: Attack the idea/post, not the poster.

    Two things often happen that lead people to believe they are being attacked or insulted:
    1. Their idea/post is attacked so vehemently that it seems as though they are being attacked themselves (after all, it is their idea/post).
    2. The idea/post is so repetitively picked apart that it seems as though that person is being singled out.

    When, we, as moderators, step into a thread and are asked to read it objectively we find that the idea/post is being attacked (sometime to ad nauseum) but not many (or no one) is actually breaking any forum rules. We are left with very few options from a moderator stand-point.

    What we CAN do is what I am doing right now--Reminding the forum members of the two greatest tools available to them!!

    1. The Report Post Button
    We moderators cannot be everywhere and cannot get to every thread to read every single post. Sometimes the only indication we have that a thread is "going south" is that a forum member reports a post and asks us to look into things. This button is a little triangle with an exclamation point inside of it located at the bottom left hand of every post. If you feel that post is out of line, PLEASE, report it! The ENTIRE moderating staff will evaluate it and a decision will be made as to the action to take. No reported post is gone unnoticed.

    2. The Ignore Button
    In any members forum profile, underneath of his/her avatar is a handy little button that says, "Add to Ignore List." It's unfortunate but sometimes two people just cannot get along. It's no different on forums and when the mud starts flying, to keep everyone from getting messy sometimes it's best if they can't even see each others' posts. That is exactly what the ignore button does. There have often been times when moderators have stepped in and given the ultimatum of either two individuals putting each other on ignore or both be banned because no one wants to read the internet drama that can come from two people trying to duke it out on a public forum. I know that you, adric22, know how to use this feature.

    Now, also, as a moderator, I speak to everyone when I say that I would like to say I am more than a fan of wiping slates clean. I, for one, am really sick of seeing half of the threads that adric22 posts in become chamber/unchamber debate threads. If carrying chambered/unchambered is not related to the topic of the thread there's no reason to bring it up.

    I'm also sick of seeing old laundry dug out of the closet and hung back out. People can learn from their mistakes and move on.. that includes as members here.. posts being brought up from threads long closed or dead that have no relevance to the current topic will be treated as they are: off topic.

    I have been a member on this forum for a long time and I have found this to be one of the only forums I continuously come back to for information and camaraderie. However, every few months or years we have an influx of new members who throw things out of balance a little and it takes some time to get readjusted and everyone get acquainted with the rules and how we enforce them here on DC. But, rest assured we either find a working solution that makes everyone happy (or at least peaceful) or we remove the problem people. We don't like to do it but we will do it.

    That being said I have seen far more upstanding and civil posts from members than I have seen questionable responses and those are the posts/members I would like to applaud and thank as well as hold up as the example of DC. I urge you, adric22, to take a look at those fine folks and see them for what they are (good people trying to help) and concentrate on them and their advice rather than zeroing in on the borderline or negative. And, as always, if you feel a member has crossed a line you are welcome to let a moderator know about it. We WILL look into it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by limatunes View Post
    I urge you, adric22, to take a look at those fine folks and see them for what they are (good people trying to help) and concentrate on them and their advice rather than zeroing in on the borderline or negative. And, as always, if you feel a member has crossed a line you are welcome to let a moderator know about it. We WILL look into it.
    Limatunes, I complete agree everything you said. I will also readily admit that most of the people on the forum are civil, even when disagreeing with me. It is just primarily 1 or 2 users who are really the problem and it is so easy to focus on the one or two posts that are meant as personal insults to me and to forget about the others. Just for the record, I have tried PM'ing these people and pleading to them to reconcile and find some common ground. As a moderator you can probably look at those and see that I am telling the truth. Unfortunately, that turned out to be a waste of time. I have also tried reporting their posts to the moderators. I was told by the moderators that although the posts were immature, the poster was not breaking any forum rules. I have also used my ignore list, as a last result. Unfortunately, the forum still shows the users's posts but hides the text. So it makes it too tempting to click the unhide button and see what they said.

    The last few weeks I've learned a few strategies for helping to keep the peace. For example, when posting a hypothetical question, I am now prefacing it with a disclaimer that I have no intention of doing such a thing, just wanted a discussion. In the past, when I've posted questions such as wearing T-shirts saying you are armed, it was nothing I had ever intended or even desired to do, but people perceived it that way and began to attack me. When I tried to explain later that it was only hypothetical, it was too late.

    I've also tried very hard to read entire threads before posting. I am guilty of skipping around in a really long thread, as I think we all are. This can come back to bite me later when people will point out that an issue was already addressed in a previous thread.

    I have also made it a point not to bring up certain touchy subjects anymore unless very relevant. Yes, I did bring up the tired-old chambered/unchambered argument yesterday, but I believed it was relevant to the thread as a person shot himself when drawing his gun. But I will make a promise from this point on that I will not mention that subject again unless somebody specifically asks or posts a thread regarding the matter.

    I've had some difficulty settling into this forum, which I admit has struck me as unexpected. But after thinking about it, all of the other discussion forums I'm involved in are geek-related dealing with science, physics, computers, cars, etc. and the people in them are of a different personality and younger age-group than what I'm encountering here. So it has been a learning experience trying to integrate into such a different group of people. But I am determined and committed to making it work and making some new friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adric22 View Post
    As a moderator you can probably look at those and see that I am telling the truth.
    Actually, no. We (or at least the "regular" moderators) cannot see PMs between members (nor do we want to..lol.. unless, of course, they NEED to be reported for forum rule violations). I'm not sure about the admins they could have special powers I'm not aware of. To us regular mods private messages are just that: private. You can report them to a moderator if they are out of hand but we cannot see personal exchanges unless they are reported.

    Unfortunately, that turned out to be a waste of time. I have also tried reporting their posts to the moderators. I was told by the moderators that although the posts were immature, the poster was not breaking any forum rules.
    Exactly! And that can be very frustrating for moderators! No actual rules are being broken so to make moderating actions against that member is/can be heavy handed and perhaps not necessary.

    Keep in mind that we also do not share moderating actions against members with other members of the forum. You wouldn't want everyone to know when you got a slap on the wrist (or a kick in the butt) and we respect the privacy of members and their relationship to the forum. We have (and do) often PM with members asking them to calm down or take a step away from a thread when it seems they are getting too involved or heated but not breaking any rules... most of the time with good results. But other members are not privy to those exchanges. There is a lot of "moderating" that goes on behind the scenes as we try to keep things civil.

    I have also used my ignore list, as a last result. Unfortunately, the forum still shows the users's posts but hides the text. So it makes it too tempting to click the unhide button and see what they said.
    Well, that's simply no one's fault but your own. Not saying that to be mean.. just stating a fact. If you don't want to stir the pot, don't pick up the spoon. Perhaps it's time to learn the self control not to pick that spoon up.

    The last few weeks I've learned a few strategies for helping to keep the peace. For example, when posting a hypothetical question, I am now prefacing it with a disclaimer that I have no intention of doing such a thing, just wanted a discussion.
    This is a good idea. It's very easy to see how people can mistake a question as "I want to do this but don't know if I should" as that is USUALLY why someone is asking the question.

    When I tried to explain later that it was only hypothetical, it was too late.
    As you said, not everyone reads the entire thread and they OFTEN miss corrections. If you need to correct perceptions, the best place to do it is in the original post as that is often the only post that is actually read (if it is even read in it's entirety at all).
    I've had some difficulty settling into this forum, which I admit has struck me as unexpected.
    This is a very diverse and large forum filled with different age groups and opinions. The only thing we have in common is that we are interested in armed self defense.. even how we go about it is widely and wildly debated but it's still a great place.


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    OP, relax and know that it takes all kinds to make this world go around, some are cool, some not so cool. We've all had our run-in's at one point here and there I would imagine, myself included. Whenever you have a discussion were the participants are passionate about the subject matter, there's gonna be a couple in the crowd that will take it to a uncomfortable level with little to no remorse. My advice, speak you mind in a civil but firm fashion and abide by the rules set forth by the site administrators and agree to disagree and be done with it.... If they don't like your idea or input, who gives a hoot, it is what it is; your opinion and not subject to their approval. Water off a duck's back I'd say. And, like Limatunes stated, and quite eloquently, the "Ignore and report" buttons are there and at your disposal should they be needed.

    And BTW, Welcome to DC, from Ga.
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    OK, we are all on the same team. like in 3rd grade, there are no losers, we are all winners.

    so, I'm cool and hello from an original state of the U.S. of A.

    i remember well when my daughter came home from school and said those very words.
    now she works in the real world and has long since come to the conclusion that some childhood
    thoughts, while appropriate to the moment, are soon outgrown.

    but, OK, I'll play.....if it makes someone happy and it cost me nothing, why not?

    limatunes, my apologies if i hit the tether-ball back too hard. I shall endeavor to allow for the possibility
    that there are those who need to be handled gently and be kinder in speach to all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by claude clay View Post
    OK, we are all on the same team. like in 3rd grade, there are no losers, we are all winners.
    When i said we are on the same team, I mean that as all of us our gun owners, and presumably CHL holders, we should be banding together to help each other and realize the real enemy are those who would take our gun rights away or attempt to do us physical harm.

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    i really do not want to get into anything with you

    just say what you mean and mean what you say.
    thus a lot less time will be necessary from you to re-explain it.
    thank you
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    I was laughing at you until it was revealed that you carry a Glock. Then I realized you are a man of great intelligence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunthorp View Post
    Welcome.
    Are we the shirts or the skins?
    im guessing shirts since this is concealed carry. :D
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    until it was revealed that you carry a Glock

    everyone is entitled to one mistake....make it a good one.
    upside is if it is taken by the police,
    they have taken nothing of value.

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    honestly, it is a great tool ( though how they can make them for $47.00 and sell them for $549.00 is a mystery to me...)
    and to quote a famous also down under guy...."Never said i didn't know how to use it."
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