This is a discussion on 1st post, idea for gun control within the New Members Introduce Yourself forums, part of the DefensiveCarry.com Forum Office category; Originally Posted by Dangerfield I think every ban should be fought. They will always ask for more. Just my .02 cents. Don't just fight the ...
The problem with setting a regulatory number on anything is that the mindset that once we have a finite number, that number can be changed. A 10-round capacity limit, you say? Let's change it to 8 and reduce gun deaths by 20 percent. No, let's make it six. The term "slippery slope" has been trivialized, but it probably fits here. The number you agree to today is too big a number for someone else tomorrow.
Beyond that, we have NEVER been able to figure out who the criminals are before they commit the criminal act. We already face a problem with the forced disarmament of veterans suffering from mental health issues, even in the absence of any demonstrated violent tendencies. Do you think that is fair, or even right? Should nameless, faceless bureaucrats be allowed to control your life? "Sorry, Mr. Kmcg, your CAT scan shows that you lack the neural capacity required to drive, so you have thirty days to sell all your cars, and you can't have any where you live, either." - just an example of more government intrusion into a private citizen's life.
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I live in California where there are plenty of gun laws that about half don't make any sense. There are still murders, rapes, home invasions, robberies and so on. You know why? Because nothing can be done about the criminal! They didn't ban boxcutters or airplanes after 911, they didn't ban fertilizer after OC bombing. They hardened targets. Let's take our home for example. Sure, there's access for a maggot to come prancing onto the property but will not be successful in carrying out whatever he's going to do at my house compared to a neighbor that hasn't prepared. Offense to the law abiding is not the answer. Preparation, education, training and the mindset for defense is the best way to minimize tragedy. Our schools educate and prepare for earthquakes and they used to educate and prepare classrooms for nuclear attack when it was a threat. Are school shootings not a threat now? I believe it's time to wake the hell up and admit it.
I wrote this in another thread but took it down because it didn't fit the topic well. But here are a few thoughts that I see fit into the gun control issue and other factors that could be looked at.
Well let's start with the firearms themselves if we must.
We used to carry rifles and shotguns in our vehicles going to high school on hunting days. No mass shootings.
We used to be able to wear apparel that had Remington and Winchester printed on it. No mass shootings.
We used to have Dads that whipped our butts when our behavior was at its worst. No mass shootings.
A little bit before my time they used to have rifle teams in high school for crying out loud! No mass shootings.
Fights used to be started and finished with fists, schools were allowed to demand respect, it wasn't child abuse to make your kid turn off the shoot-'em-up video game at 2 o'clock in the morning on a school night, sex ed was taught as a structured class in school instead of texting pictures back in forth during English class, if you were going to be tough enough to be a bully one used to have to do it face to face instead of from mommy's basement on the internet, neither the Flag of the United States nor the Bible offended anyone, law enforcement used to be respected and songs about killing them and other people weren't played on the radio, most parents didn't used to have illegal drugs for breakfast, lunch and dinner, gangs of kids weren't made up of a bunch of worthless, fatherless go nowhere in life people who's only goal was to kill someone from another group of kids whom they have never even met......shall I go on?
Handguns, shotguns, rifles and machine guns have been around pretty much since the U.S. has been called the U.S.. And some want to start by taking away guns instead of addressing a bigger, more complex problem in society? I guess it's the easier, feel better way but will yield nothing but disappointing results. What happens when the real problem isn't addressed but only freedoms taken away? Is that where we want to go?
Dear Mr. and Mrs. Gun Control, if we can prove that my firearms caused any of this and law enforcement does not feel the need to have to use theirs anymore, then I will gladly turn them in for evaluation to determine their malfunction. Sarcastic, I know. But come on, let's get serious, stop the madness and get to the real problem which lies in the mind of the mentally ill, not in my gun safe. Because apparently our kids' lives are depending on it.
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Don't try to find ways to "compromise"...find ways to ENFORCE the laws on the books already...find ways to keep guns out of criminal hands...find ways to ensure our own justice department doesn't come up with schemes to put guns on the street and into illegal hands...DON'T MESS WITH MY RIGHTS guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment...JMO
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As I read all the statements in this thread I thi k about my CCP? I went through training, proved I could shoot and hit my target. I went through a background check
And even hed mental care providers checked for any mental issues I may have. If Im correct almost all CCP holders went through all these. Reffering back to the driversl license comparison. I also possess aCDL? I must have a physical every year to keep that. As a pilot you are also required a physical. All of these licenses have one thing in common. LAW ABIDING CITIZENS? How many unlicensed people are driving cars motorcycles and trucks, How many unlicensed people are carrying guns. Take away our CCP abd only these people that attack schools, movie theaters, churches so on and so on will still be armed. The problem is not disarming the people who do it correctly but those that do it illegally.
What is this sollution for this?
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Welcome from the Lone Star State. I see where youre going. I dont agree with your proposal. Only because i dont think that these types of offers lead to anything substantive from the other side. Youre basically asking them to make ccw easier. Thats not going to happen in this climate. The magazine restrictions are useless in my opinion. The mental health designation seems ok but the potential for abuse makes it a no go for me.
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Welcome to the forum from SW Ohio. I won't add anything to what has already been said by others. Control the "nut" cases -- NOT the tools!
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