The Token Check In Thread

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    Well well well... I always love/hate doing this.

    Hello folks. My handle is Euclidean, as in Euclidean geometry. I am a teacher of mathematics by trade. I live, teach, and otherwise stir about in a suburb of Austin, TX.

    I am 23 years old, white, male, single, heterosexual, and Protestant. And no I don\'t live with my mother and haven\'t for some time now.

    I think the biggest problem our society faces is a lack of logical, rational critical thinking skills and a severe lack of education, or at least appreciation for education. At the end of Hamlet, there are only two people left: a student and a soldier. I\'m not really fit to be a soldier and I can\'t afford to be a permanent student so I did the next best thing and became a teacher.

    Mathematics teaches one how to reason empirically and arrive at absolute truth. Education teaches one that what that truth is can be very complicated. Thus I consider myself a student of human nature first and a scientist second.

    I\'ve owned a real firearm for over ten years. My first tool was my still trusty Marlin Model 60. My second was my 12 gauge Mossberg 500, which is still outiftted with a 28\" ventilated rib barrel, bead sight, and modified choke. I fired all of my Dad\'s guns, including Rossi revolvers in various calibers, his Rugers, some other pistols, and a smattering of long guns. I\'m most familiar with .357 magnum, .22 LR and 9x19 loads. I\'m curious to learn more about other calibers.

    In college I was surrounded by a lot of very intelligent people who advocated what they called \"gun control\". In a nutshell, I decided these people were wrong. When I stopped relying on impulse and emotion and instead applied my training in the practical and theoretical use of logic and reasoning to their arguments, well I came to my own conclusions.

    I concluded that gun control is at best wasteful and ineffective and at worst, dangerous and a violation of my personal rights.

    It took me a while longer to realize that philosophy is not enough. Remember when I said that at the end of Hamlet the only survivors are the student and the soldier?

    While I\'m no soldier in the literal sense of the word, well actually I am after a fashion since I am registered with the draft board, I must be like a soldier to the best of my ability.

    I am no good to anyone dead.

    Now truthfully, I dedicate maybe 8-10% of my time and resources to firearms, survival, and preparedness in general. I am not wealthy therefore I cannot prepare for everything.

    However I have concluded it is a moral and logical imperative to learn the skills and acquire the tools I need to be the best \"soldier\" I can be.

    Thus my new Year\'s resolution for 2005 is to obtain a Texas CCW permit. I\'ve actually begun working on this all through 2004.

    I decided that although my marksmanship does leave something to be desired, I already had adequate safety, maintenance, and handling skills. I also realized I had no means by which to practically defend myself in my own residence, and I wasn\'t in a position to borrow guns any more. I also reasoned I would never become a better marksman without having something to practice with.

    I\'ve expanded my personal collection quite a bit in 2004. I reasoned my worst need was for a handgun of some stripe. I thought about: I could only have one handgun, which one would I have? I finally decided on a used S&W 686 with a 4 inch barrel I found for $300. It is a SA/DA revolver, which is my preferred platform. It is reliable, simple, easy to fire, and can fire both a cheap practice caliber, and an effective self defense caliber. It can be concealed if necessary.

    My next investment was a real semiautomatic centerfire rifle in the form of a Norinco SKS. I figured this was an excellent investment for the time being to fill in the gap in my arsenal.

    Finally I decided that it was quite frankly foolish to limit myself to revolvers, and that I should pursue an automatic pistol so that I could practice with one and decide if I preferred automatics or revolvers. I wanted a basic double stack 9mm pistol with an external safety so that I could learn how to better use the controls on an automatic. I acquired a Ruger P-89. My father\'s pistol of choice is the Ruger P-85, which I had fired several times so the P-89 felt quite natural to me.

    I have found an outdoor range relatively near me that has reasonable range fees and good hours, and they seem to offer class work. I plan to visit them at some point this January and practice some more.

    Thus I have completed Phase 1 :D

    I have guns and I have a place to train properly.

    Phase 2 is figuring out how much training I need.

    The truth is I have no real idea how well I shoot. I\'ve always shot at bottles, jars, paper plates, that sort of thing. I\'ve never had anyone \"grade\" me. I do know I have no problem whatsoever nailing a man sized target at 7 yards.

    In Texas, to get a CCW, you have to pass a Range test. You fire 20 times at 7 yards, 20 more times at 15 yards, and 10 times at 25 yards I believe. You have to score 175 out of 250 possible points. I have no idea how easy or difficult this feat will be for someone whose shooting experience is roughly a decade or so of plinking in the afternoon.

    Furthermore I have to decide on whether I want to carry a revolver or an automatic. Texas makes you choose. Why oh why is beyond me. I wish I could carry one of each, but I cannot.

    I have figured out I\'m 60% revolver person and 40% automatic person so I\'m leaning that direction. But from what I\'ve discovered so far it\'s entirely possible I could have a greater talent with an automatic, so I still have to make that decision.

    Luckily my full size guns should provide me with the tools I need to make that decision and pass the proficiency test. Whichever gun I practice with I plan to test with.

    They are however not really practical carry pieces for me. I find both of them awkward to carry, difficult to retain, and impossible to draw quickly from concealment. I will have to acquire new tools.

    In that arena I have all mannner of questions... should I be looking at the Tarus 617 or the S&W 637? Do I really need DAO or can I have a real hammer? What can I do for deep concealment? What caliber? I can go on all day. All I\'ve really figured out is that I like SA/DA revolvers with Hogue grips and stainless steel finishes.

    It\'s great to see a forum where I hope I can find answers to these questions. I\'ve learned a lot in 2004, now I hope to put my knowledge to use in 2005.

    I don\'t know if I\'ll get my CCW or not this year but I at least want to start practicing more often and better. I hope to go to the range once in January, once in Feb, then hopefully twice or three times a month after that. I don\'t know if that will be enough, and I can\'t devote more time than that.

    I tend to either post little and read much or read too much and post way too much so get ready.:D


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    I\'m ready. Are you guys all ready? I think we\'re ready....

    I\'m not sure what everyone\'s formal education level is here but I believe I would be safe in saying that there are those with advanced degrees and those without. Here, it doesn\'t really matter.

    Our members have varying levels of knowledge and experience learned in class, on the range, in the woods, in foreign conflicts and on the street. We all have something valuable to teach and we all have something to learn. We all have the same desire, to learn everything we can in order to stay alive in a SHTF encounter.

    Welcome to the forum, Euclidean. :)

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    Actually Bumper modern educational theory regards intelligence as multi-faceted.

    Knowing how to do algebra problems is a sort of logical intelligence. Knowing how to take a good photograph is a sort of artistic intelligence. Knowing how to do a backflip is a kind of kinesthetic intelligence.

    Knowledge comes in many forms, all of them quite powerful.

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    Common sense always impressed me and is one of the first things I look for during first encounters. You show me you are an Intelligent person with good common sense (this can be somewhat uncommon) with great overall awareness.

    It will be nice to see your view and more importantly see how you articulate your views.

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    I detect a bit of \"I am more intelligent than you are so worship me\" attitude here. Not sure whether that is a cerebral thing or just because you are young, but I agree with wvturner. Show us some good common sense and you might learn something here.

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    Where do you teach at? My gf teaches calculus in Wimberley. It\'s kind of a suburb of Austin...

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