Thinking of frangeable ammo vs ol school JHP
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I’M Honorably disch’d VN era vet. No one special at all actually. Registered voter. Tax payer. Etc. Shot competition during and shortly following my ...
May 6th, 2013 02:19 PM
Thinking of frangeable ammo vs ol school JHP
I’M Honorably disch’d VN era vet. No one special at all actually. Registered voter. Tax payer. Etc. Shot competition during and shortly following my military service. Mostly long guns, some handguns. Did really well… then had to stop. Now, of necessity, am returning to the fold. Have a few semi auto pistols which is a whole new ball of wax for me. One auto loader 12ga. One pistol round carbine… so far.
In process of or waiting for, CCL to finish, so I’m pondering some of this new high tech stuff from CorBond, Liberty, etc., as replacement for what I’d normally figure on carrying, and am begining to rethink even which caliber too.
I’ve always owned and shot 357 revolvers on a personal basis. The military put me onto the 45ACP naturally. Liking both and deciding on gaining the priviledge to carry concealed,
I felt to split the diff and bought a Ruger SR40C. Hung a Viridian C5L onto it, and so far have only shot about 50 – 60 rounds thru it. Certinaly under 100 for sure. It’s recoil using Speer GD 155, Hornady 165 JHPs surprised me a great deal with their snappy report.
Knowing ordinarily when the load lightens, the recoils usually drop coincidentally too.
Reading about this new Liberty/Halo speed of light 60gr. button it pops out, I’m wondering…. All about it. Stopping power. Penetration. Dependability, and accuracy, etc., for real world circumstances. Clothes, hackets
Comparing the SR 40C to my FNP 45T… well there’s no comparison actually with respect to recoil. On the heels of shooting that compact, firing the FNP 45T is like shooting a 22, or 5.7!. I’m guessing too even going shorter or smaller than my Ruger P345, I’d not be gaining a much easier to deal with recoil by getting one of the newer sub compact single stack 45s from Beretta, SW, Springfield, etc. Right?
So as I’m new and glad to be here, what’s the general consensus on these “Hyper Drive frangeable” slugs vs staying with the more standard & heavier JHP loads? Are they “the deal” or how to turn your carry gun into a shotgun, magic?
BTW… what’s up with this shortage of ammo everywhere?
I can’t even find 45ACP or 40SW, FMJ or JHP at anything resembling reasonable prices these past couple weeks. I got worried some and bought ONLY 40 rds of each in Gold Dots, and am embarrassed to say I paid $33 per bx of 20!
I’m into this deal expressly for self and home defense. Get to the range not nearly as much as I want to or should. Am old school on many things regarding weapons, and don’t feel the world is about to explode, the poles reverse, Zombies are walking the Earth, or wide spread famine and revolutions are about to jump off. I’m far more concerned about drug dealing in my neighborhood, gang activity… and other real world stuff… so maybe I’ve been out of the loop somewhat on what is up with this latest ammo drought.
I’ve emailed my congressional reps and so forth on the fierce rush to judgement on gun controls though, warning them notions on limiting mag capacities, national registries, and illegally stereotyping former vets who’ve sought out professional help in their pasts ‘exclusively’, are not effective paths for attempting to deal with such things adequately, or at all.
Guess someone figured out if there’s no bullets, guns don’t work. I suppose they’ve never used their service pistol as a hammer. Hopefully this is a temporary travesty. Hopefully.
Any thoughts on the ideas on carry ammo or where it can be had at more reasonable prices, are most welcomed.
May 6th, 2013 02:22 PM
Welcome to the forum from SW Ohio.
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May 6th, 2013 02:26 PM
Welcome, and thanks for your service. I've never shot the hyperdrive stuff, but if you're looking for conventional SD loads, Tactical Defense Solutions LLC - Specializing In High Quality Supplies For The Critical Shooter currently has .45 HST in stock for $34.50 per box of 50 (2 box limit) Tactical Defense Solutions LLC - Federal Tactical LEO.
I don't know what their shipping costs are as I pick up my orders in person. They also sell the Liberty stuff, but again I've never shot it.
May 6th, 2013 02:46 PM
Well, thanks much folks. Funny thing was the HALO stuff was the same price as the Gold Dots! But felt when in doubt, go with what you know.
Cool. Do these folks mean limit two per type? or limit Two bx period? I think I saw that site the other day, and they had two types of Fed HST... which confused me sufficiently so I din't place the order. Plus P? Std? Lead? Steel?
Huge thanks for the warm welcome and the tip on the site with the Fed slugs... a bit more info there would be outstanding though.
May 6th, 2013 03:09 PM
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May 6th, 2013 03:09 PM
BTW... $17.45 shipping of 2 bx, to the Golf Coast of Central Fla.
May 6th, 2013 03:17 PM
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May 6th, 2013 03:21 PM
Not sure - he's pretty friendly so I'd give him a call. The two different Fed offerings are actually two different bullet types. One is HST and the other is Hydrashok. HST is the newer bullet and designed for the current FBI standards. Hydrashok has been out quite a while (maybe 20-ish years or so?), and though older technology than the HST, it has put lots of punks down hard since then. I wouldn't want to get hit by either. Hell, I wouldn't want to get hit by a .22 CBI round-nose slug for that matter.
Originally Posted by Flap
Hydrashok seems to be slightly more expensive everywhere I see both - not sure if that's supply/demand, or manufacturing costs.
May 6th, 2013 03:26 PM
Welcome to the forum!
In regards to your question on frangible vs. JHP, I prefer the JHP. The current crop of frangibles is good, but they have a specific role. For the most part they are low penetrative and have a large energy dump into the target. The draw back to them is the low penetration and the question of them driving deep enough to strike vital organs and defeat bone (if struck). In my opinion they are great in situations where over penetration is not an option, such as with air marshalls or in close apartment living. They also don't perform well against barriers that might be encountered in different environments, which could be anything from sheetrock to leather jackets. There are a number of great loads in JHP that perform well while not being over penerative if you can find them. Of course, even the frangibles are better than hardball, so if one had to rely on them until a supply of JHP could be purchased you would be okay. Of course this is just my opinion....
Anyway, I hope you enjoy the forum!
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May 6th, 2013 03:34 PM
Welcome to the forum!
I haven't seen any favorable reviews of frangible rounds anywhere outside of the manufacturer's ads. No experience with them, so no personal recommendation for frangible rounds from me.
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May 6th, 2013 03:47 PM
Welcome to the forum from Georgia.
All I have seen that is positive about frangible rounds, is the increased safety in close up training with metal targets.
Until I see something other than manufacturers reviews and promotions about frangible ammo. I am sticking with JHP.
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May 6th, 2013 05:35 PM
Welcome from Virginia. I'll stick with my lead rounds. They've always worked for me, until they stop I'll use them.
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May 6th, 2013 05:48 PM
Check out Doc's recommendations on frangible rounds in the terminal ballistics topical area on http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=57072
And welcome to the forum!
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May 6th, 2013 05:50 PM
May 6th, 2013 06:03 PM
Go to the Box O'Truth website and see how expensive frangible ammo does not often behave as advertised. Stick with JHP. I shot a 9mm Gold Dot through an old arm chair filled with foam rubber at point blank range to see what happened and the bullet exited the chair but then only one of the drywall sheets in the wall behind. The bullet did not even penetrate the double layered typical household drywall after going through foam rubber. So I would not worry about over penetration if you hit. Lots of frangible stuff stays intact and penetrates like FMJ. Once again, do the research.
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