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    Northern Nevada, why some people don't think carrying is necessary in today's world.

    This is an interesting location, with Kalifornia not far away, fairly urban settings, but plenty of wide open spaces. Average response time for a Deputy to my neighborhood is 20 min, but several of my Co-Workers live in the city and don't see the need for the average citizen to carry firearms.

    This has been informative, as I have almost always lived in a rural setting. I am more likely to deploy my CCW on a Bobcat or Coyote terrorizing my chickens than I am on a BG, also part of why I prefer wheelguns to autos (I own both, but definately carry a snubby more than a compact auto). I theorize that if you grew up in a rural setting (MOM! A RACCOON GOT INTO THE TRASH AGAIN!) you are so much more likely to see and understand firearms as necessary tools of the job. My urban couterparts, lacking this background, only see guns in movies or in the news, and their default setting is "Guns are only meant to destroy, and mostly destroy people, so guns are evil. Call the police, they will help you!"

    For a brief period of time, I bought into this when I lived in the city. I happened to be the victim of a violent crime, called the police, and they arrived within 2 minutes. During that two minutes, I was able to successfuly subdue the attacker--but had the attacker been better armed, I would have been killed and he would have had plenty of time to escape. This resonated with me, and I began to see the wisdom of my Father, who had been harrassing me about getting a ccw.

    Given that I live on a ranch and have a hard time keeping autos clean, I tend to gravitate to wheelguns, though I own both. Anyone that has shot enough has encountered a hangfire or a misfire, and I am firmly in the camp of "five for sure".

    My view of the defensive firearm is this--should you find yourself in a mugging/personal attack situation, a snubby will work because it is the "weasel in your pocket" (Ayoob). In an active shooter scenario, you will not engage a rifleman--we had this scenario play out in carson city and found out the hard way that a snubnose is no match for an sks. In this type of situation, you find cover and regain some type of element of surprise--you set an ambush. I postulate that any pistol, regardles of magazine size, is outgunned in any similar scenario--so a snubby is equally valid in that scenario as a glock 21.

    Regardless of the flavor of carry, I celebrate that we all carry. I also advocate that we practice with what we carry, so I shoot at least weekly with my carry guns. I rotate, but favor practice with my snubbies because of the inherent difficulties in being accurate with the platform.

    I have lurked on the forum for a long time, but recently a family member got their ccw and asked for advice. I figured that I may as well contribute to the forum that has given me such good information.
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    Being raised in a rural setting and living in one most of my life I get where you are coming from. However being in a rural setting I promise you is not close to a guarantee that the devil with extreme ill and brutal intentions will not come knocking.

    Thats said I do not really care that some folks dont want to be armed. Its their choice not to be. Dumb choice I think but that is my opinion not theirs.

    What gets under my skin isnt they they believe they need nothing but LE to protect them, its that they want to insist that I think that way also when I know better and disarm me and my fellow carriers against our rights and our wishes.

    If Betty Crocker from the city wants to go hand to hand with Jack the Ripper while she waits 2 to 5 minutes for LE to get there by all means its her right to do so.

    Ms Crocker needs to stop tell me and other like me that we should give up our guns for rolling pins so she can feel better about herself. JMO

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    @ Ghost--

    I agree whole heartedly with you. My point is that the majority of Americans live in the City and just don't have the familiarity with firearms as we do. They also live with the false sense of security that is the Police. When a Deputy advises you to get a CCW, you get one, by god.

    I feel that we need to re-craft the conversation, as most people just don't "get it." They've never needed guns, so they don't see the use of them. I grew up with them, and was still lulled into a false sense of security when I lived in an urban setting. Be assured, though, that now that I'm back on a ranch, the 870 with #4 buck is not far to hand.

    We need, as a community, to show the majority of people that these tools are necessary. Too often, I see what we see as common sense as uncommon to the rest of the urban dwellers. In a Democratic Republic, the Majority most often holds sway. The Majority lives in the city, and doesn't see the need for the second amendment (and also don't understand grammar--the comma isn't there by accident, guys!) because the police will come and fix it for them. They are deluded, they are the "sheeple" for which we are the shephards. We need to engage these people on their terms, not ours. Framing the argument according to their point of view is MUCH more powerful than framing it from ours.

    For what it's worth, I have successfully convinced 2 co-workers to get their CCW after discussion with them. True, they are only part-time CCW (I only carry it when I think I need it (EEK!)) but at least they support the right.
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    There are many urban dwellers who recognize the need to carry and do so religiously. It is regretful that lots of folks - both urban and rural - choose not to. But as you said, that is their choice. I don't push my views on them and don't take kindly to them pushing theirs on me.

    As an urbanite my Benelli M4 is close at hand and ready to rock if needed. I can deploy it much faster then our PD can deploy an officer, even in this setting.
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