Greetings from Vermont

[bruto]

Good evening from the state that confounds easy answers on gun control. Well, of course here in Vermont we can carry anything concealed or not, but here I am anyway, from the state where you can carry anything and I don't have to.

I was referred here in a quest for some honest information about statistics which I suspect (if they exist at all) will be known to someone here. Since I'm not personally particularly interested in handguns, and since if I ever did want to carry one I'd just go to the gun shop, buy one and carry it home, I doubt I will be hanging out a great deal on this forum, but I look forward to conversing with some informed folks who can help me in my search for information.

Since I'm not sure just what subsection my question should go in, I hope it is not amiss to introduce it here, and if necessary perhaps someone can steer me in the right direction, or a moderator can move it where it belongs. So here it is:

On another unrelated forum discussion, the question comes up, whether it's wise to keep a gun in the bedroom. Many interesting posts occur, polite debate occurs, etc., and then up rears that old statement: if a criminal breaks in, you're more likely to be killed with your own gun. It seems that the so called Kellermann study is responsible for this statement, despite the fact that, even flawed as it is, it doesn't actually say that. So anyway, what I'm looking for is any kind of Kellermann-like study that actually, honestly, and with reasonable scientific and statistical rigor, affirms or rebuts that statement properly.

What I'd really like to see is a study limited to crimes outside the family - burglaries and home invasions, etc. , that more or less says "if a criminal attacks you and you have a gun in the house, A percent of the time victims will be disarmed and killed, B percent of the time the victim will deter the crime in some way with the gun, C percent of the time the gun won't be a factor at all, D percent of the time something else happens (victim loses gunfight, cops arrive on time, victim loses gun and kills attacker with sword, etc. etc.)."

Can anybody point me in the direction of some good statistics, so we can drive a stake through that old "43 percent more likely" nonsense?

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[ron8903]

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[Ben Hennessy]

Welcome from Missouri.

[simon]

Welcome

[Old Chief]

Welcome from Rocky Top Tennessee. I can not point you to a study that will answer all of your questions. I do know that it is better to be prepared to defend your self than to be at the mercy of a home invader or criminal intent on taking what you have for his own use. I also know that when seconds count the police are minutes away. As for me I will arm myself for my own and my family defence. We could go on and on about this subject, IMHO the bottom line is ; I am prepared and ready to defend myself , family and property to the greatest extent possible. I may be killed with my own gun some day but I am convinced that the perp will have to beat me to death with it because it will be empty and he will have to step over the bodies of the people who came before him.

[nn]

welcome

[pgrass101]

Welcome

[eagle5]

Welcome from Pennsylvania.

As for me I will arm myself for my own and my family defence. We could go on and on about this subject, IMHO the bottom line is ; I am prepared and ready to defend myself , family and property to the greatest extent possible. I may be killed with my own gun some day but I am convinced that the perp will have to beat me to death with it because it will be empty and he will have to step over the bodies of the people who came before him.

+1 I couldn't agree more.

[bruto]

Welcome from Rocky Top Tennessee. I can not point you to a study that will answer all of your questions. I do know that it is better to be prepared to defend your self than to be at the mercy of a home invader or criminal intent on taking what you have for his own use. I also know that when seconds count the police are minutes away. As for me I will arm myself for my own and my family defence. We could go on and on about this subject, IMHO the bottom line is ; I am prepared and ready to defend myself , family and property to the greatest extent possible. I may be killed with my own gun some day but I am convinced that the perp will have to beat me to death with it because it will be empty and he will have to step over the bodies of the people who came before him.

Minutes away? Man, you're sure not from Vermont, are you? I heard a story, probably apocryphal but funny anyway, about a Vermonter who had intruders in the yard, who called the state cops, and was told there was nobody available in the area. He is said to have solved the problem by calling back and saying "never mind, I shot them." That's about the only way you'll ever get them in under an hour.

[retsupt99]

from Central Florida!

ret

[deadeye111]

Welcome from SE Missouri.

[rstickle]

Welcome to the forum.

[.45forme]

welc ome

[enigmaone]

Howdy Bruto!

[SemperGumby]

Hello from Montpelier, VT where the cops have nothing better to do = good response times. Still carry though...